SPR Transcript 2

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:00 – 0:09)

Confirm that, um, you were actually incarcerated around New Year’s Day and so forth. Um-

[Mr. Harris] (0:10 – 0:12)

New Year’s Eve, that is affirmative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:12 – 0:17)

Okay, alright, so that’s not something people were making up to make you look bad or anything that actually did happen?

[Mr. Harris] (0:17 – 0:32)

No, no, no, it’s true. I went to a club and they was a stressful and I tried to break it up and wound up being one of them that got grabbed. Little advice, never try to break up a bar fight.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:33 – 0:45)

Oh, that’s true, that is true. So now along with that, there’s the thing floating around that you were actually charged with assault of an officer. Is that true or false?

[Mr. Harris] (0:45 – 0:47)

You’re kidding me, is that floating around?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:48 – 0:50)

That is one thing that did come my way.

[Mr. Harris] (0:51 – 1:13)

Is it? No, I wasn’t charged with assault of an officer. I was, originally I was and then it got straightened out in a mess.

It was a big mess. There was probably about 500 people and a friend of mine just got in a bar combination and it just got a little crazy. Sometimes situations like that do when you mix alcohol and 500 people together.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14 – 1:20)

Okay, so there were 500 people at the event but there was not 500 people that were locked up?

[Mr. Harris] (1:21 – 1:25)

No, most of them scuffled out the doors as quick as they could when the cops started coming in to break it up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26 – 1:31)

Okay, because I was going to say, man, talk about paddy wagons, how many would they need to transport?

[Mr. Harris] (1:31 – 1:44)

I don’t even know, there was probably 15 or 20. We were in the back section in the VIP table with the owner actually and just got grabbed up in the midst of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:44 – 1:45)

Wow, wow.

[Mr. Harris] (1:46 – 1:58)

Like I said, I had a DUI over a year ago and I was on probation for a year. That was a probation violation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:58 – 2:00)

Oh, oh.

[Mr. Harris] (2:01 – 2:13)

Yeah, it wasn’t that bad. It was a nice vacation to be honest with you. You get TV, you get phones, cards, checkers, three meals and a cot.

I caught up on a lot of lost sleep.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:13 – 2:14)

Did you?

[Mr. Harris] (2:16 – 2:37)

I’m not going to lie. I’m glad to be out. I’m not going to lie about that either.

It really wasn’t all that bad. It wasn’t drastically life, you know. It didn’t scare you to death or nothing.

It was just like going to a room full of 30 people and a TV and telephones and card games and you can’t go out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37 – 2:37)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37 – 2:40)

Nothing to eat. So it wasn’t that bad.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40 – 2:44)

So are you going to get a tattoo because you went to jail?

[Mr. Harris] (2:44 – 2:48)

No, no, no. Don’t have one and have no intentions of getting one.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49 – 3:01)

Okay. All right. Because I was teasing the listeners saying that when you called back I was going to ask you if you were going to get a tattoo and ask you if this whole assault on the officer was part of your gang member initiation.

[Mr. Harris] (3:02 – 3:22)

No, that was actually initially. But I was, no, that didn’t come down. By the time they cyphered it out, so on and so on, some people that said I wasn’t involved.

I was actually sitting at a table, hadn’t been there so long, maybe 30 minutes. A little scuffle broke out next to our table.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:23 – 3:23)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (3:23 – 3:39)

And I jumped up to keep it off of our table and got in the middle of it, I guess. I grabbed the guy that was starting a fight with another guy and a couple of guys grabbed the other guy. And when you’re around 500 people, you know how it goes from there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:40 – 3:40)

Right, right.

[Mr. Harris] (3:40 – 3:52)

And I got grabbed up and took him outside, but it was too late. They didn’t really care. They was way understaffed.

I don’t think they had like seven or eight cops that came in to break it up, and it was a very big scuffle.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:53 – 4:26)

Okay. Now let me ask you some other things. Because a lot of people are, you know, this is a mixed reaction.

Some people love you. Some people hate you. People are saying that you ruined their life.

Someone actually said that because of you, their friends and family collectively have lost $250,000. And, you know, so what is it that you wanted to share with the listeners this evening?

[Mr. Harris] (4:29 – 4:39)

I just wanted to call in to discuss some of the issues that I have heard that have been discussed over the past few months. We’ve been real busy setting up some things.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (4:39 – 4:40)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (4:40 – 4:44)

And working on some issues and getting to the bottom of all of this.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (4:44 – 5:46)

Right. Now for the benefit of those that might not know, I can’t imagine this being true, but for those that might not know who you are and what the situation is, keep me honest as I give a high-level synopsis. So you, Rufus Paul Harris, were or maybe still are the CEO of Conversion Solutions.

And last time that we had spoken on the phone, this was back on November 30th, there was a big confusion about who the real CEO was because a former shareholder by the name, the Hot Stock Market name, Tut, real name, I guess John Arlett, he actually kind of hijacked your company with the shareholders committee. Remember they voted you out and they claimed that now John is the CEO. John is putting out SEC filings.

He is putting out press releases. He is canceling emergency shareholder meetings that you had set up.

[Mr. Harris] (5:47 – 6:06)

I actually had told them in one of my conversations that when we were discussing a few things, that no way whatsoever, they immediately put out a PR. I wasn’t going to go and cause a PR problem between PR Newswire and MarketWire, who they used.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (6:07 – 6:07)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (6:07 – 6:46)

As you noticed, the PRs come from two different institutions. [Simon: Yes.] Okay. So I’ve been through that with the Broadban scenario.

And I know what it does. You get into legal scenarios and so on and so on. And I was not going to do it.

I’m going to go a different route this time. And that’s what I did. I wanted to step back and let them do what they wanted to do.

Go ahead. Do it in front of the public. Show everybody.

Let’s see it. That’s why I posted it on the website, which a lot of people saw come up when I went out and changed it. Step back.

Watch. This is entertaining. Step back.

Watch and document.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (6:48 – 6:49)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (6:49 – 7:11)

So that was my scenario. Now you want to know? You want my opinions?

Yes. I am completely CEO of this corporation. There will be some issues that’s coming towards John Arlett and the individuals that perpetrated that, to include Mike Alexander and the transfer agent for their involvement in this little shenanigans they pulled.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (7:12 – 7:12)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (7:12 – 10:30)

They had their chance to step up and do something, and they stepped up, throwed some stuff out there to prevent Michael Alexander’s preferred shares, who A.W.L. actually arranged what I consider as toxic funding. And if you run that down, you’ll find the name of John Arlett to be involved in those financings. Several of their individuals are Front Haul.

Now, I actually have heard that Michael Alexander made some comments last night on HSM to shareholders that, quote, unquote, he had his control and his shares and was going to try to unwind the merger. And I find that very interesting because Front Haul does not exist. It did not exist as the execution of the merger.

Now, I worked with Mike in this scenario to prevent shareholder loss. When I met with Mike in Texas, when I went out and met with the Texas group, I sat down with Mike, went out to a very large acre ranch that himself and this guy Dave have together in a little hunting project. It’s a nice little thing.

It used to be some type of R&B resort. It’s a beautiful place. And discussed the scenario that if a few things, certain individuals pushed for things, I’ve always suspected that we had an individual inside our corporation that was working against us.

And I’ve mentioned that before in the scenario. And I just laid it out to him, my full thoughts. This is how I feel.

And if this turns out to be the case and something happens, we say that I resign or they come out and terminate me to protect the shareholders, these people cannot be trusted. Because, if they … the things that I was hearing from internally that was going on was actually happening that in no shape, form, or fashion could have been possible for the shareholders. And I requested that he, through a default clause in the merger agreement, if you go back and look at it, it will be filed in the 8K, in the amended 8K, that stated, you know, both companies must adhere to all SEC rules and regulations.

And in the event one company does not perform, he can claim, I told him to put in a default on that. And what went from there is Mike did exactly as asked, turned around, come back to me, asked me what should be the next step in dealing with these individuals, not, not … also my individuals, which is a very interesting world that’s going to play out. You’ll see a lot of this coming forward in the court system.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (10:31 – 10:40)

Let me ask you a couple of questions because you know me. I’m going to play devil’s advocate.

[Mr. Harris] (10:40 – 10:42)

Don’t let me get too far out of the way, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (10:42 – 11:09)

Right, so playing devil’s advocate. You know, there’s, let me start with the rumors. Okay, there’s rumors that, and we’ll address these one by one.

There’s rumors that Sabra Dabbs was the actual mastermind of this whole scam and con that she snookered you, she snookered Mike, and you know.

[Mr. Harris] (11:09 – 12:46)

She had prior involvements with Mike. She’s the one that brought Mike to the table, and she’s the one that brought the bonds to the table. She introduced every actual transaction and bond that was done.

My end of business with the job in this corporation was as we did. We set this corporation together in a platform to be able to finance against the bonds. But Ms. Dabbs was the individual that delivered all the bonds, all the documentation on all the bonds that cleared the Euroclear system to us. Now, to get to that stage, like I said, this is very complicated, and it’s going to implement a lot of people, to include several individuals inside Washington, D.C. that work at the Pentagon and are congressional members. See, we would not have touched these bonds in any shape, form, or fashion if it didn’t come with each clientele and their resume. These people actually applied for jobs with the corporation, and we had approved them.

Two of them, if you go back to the PRs, are very reckonable individuals that we put on the board of directors of AISS. If you can go back and pull the PRs and look at this, you’ll see those two individuals. Now, it’s very strange here in, quote, unquote, the bashers, as I call them, that come out on iHub and HSM, and they’re the multiple blogs that are out there.

That come out bashing never said one negative word about those individuals. They just continued, blah, blah, blah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (12:46 – 13:05)

Right. Now, these individuals, because I, you know, again, I first started talking about conversion solutions kind of, you know, tongue-in-cheek back in July of 2006, you know, whenever I first, I’d never spoken with you and so forth. I personally have always been very skeptical of this whole business model.

[Mr. Harris] (13:06 – 13:07)

I understand. You’ve always touched that with me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (13:07 – 13:22)

Right, and so back in July, I do recall those press releases that cited, you know, retired generals, you know, an army and an air force and maybe a few others.

[Mr. Harris] (13:23 – 13:34)

Number one oil and gas lobbyist out of D.C.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (13:35 – 13:59)

Right, and so you, not you, but the company actually issued out some impressive press releases with regards to AISS. Now, AISS is kind of a, it’s, for lack of a better word, it’s kind of a mess because Dr. Mensah [Rufus: Correct.], Dr. Mensah is claiming on MN1, and he’s actually, I’ve actually spoken to him off the air once. You know, he’s insisted that you conned him, you hijacked him, and so there’s a bunch of…

[Mr. Harris] (14:00 – 14:03)

Well, I never contacted Dr. Mensah. Dr. Mensah contacted us.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (14:03 – 14:04)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (14:04 – 14:30)

And actually how the relationship came through is it came through some of his ambassadors out of Balboa, Georgia that had put multi-hundreds of thousands of dollars into the corporation only to see an office produced out of it. And then hiring private detectives to trace him and track him down and see where the money’s going found out that he was hobnobbing on the island off of the Georgia coast, burning their money.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (14:31 – 14:31)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (14:31 – 14:43)

So they brought the scenario to us and said, we’ve invested very heavily into this company, can we look at it? And then we wanted to go through the attorney that was handling it for him, and that was Maurice Bennett.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (14:43 – 15:02)

Okay. But I guess my point about bringing, you know, Dr. Mensah into this is, you know, when I spoke to him, you know, I didn’t record the conversation. It would have been great.

He was actually supposed to come on to the show at one point, but he kind of vanished and there were rumors that he got thrown in jail and all this other stuff. I don’t know if that’s true or not.

[Mr. Harris] (15:02 – 15:03)

Well, we filed suit against him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (15:03 – 15:16)

Right. And so the thing is that I’ve, the big question I have in my mind is, Dr. Mensah said that he was the one that brought these retired military and these high-connected people.

[Mr. Harris] (15:16 – 15:43)

They came with the project. That is correct. I’m not saying that we brought those in.

The ones that we brought in was after we found additional details of Dr. Mensah’s activity in the corporation. And then it turned into a negative scenario with him, and we appointed two directors, which was our full authority under our agreement with AISS. And those two directors, one of them was a leading oil and gas lobbyist and the other worked at the Pentagon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (15:43 – 15:44)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (15:44 – 15:47)

Which were directly related to the delivery of the Venezuelan bond.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (15:49 – 16:15)

All right. So I guess the one thing for the benefit of the listeners, because a lot of the listeners, they’re long-time shareholders. Maybe they’re still shareholders, maybe they’re not.

They know the history between you and Mensah and all this other stuff. The one thing that probably I’m guessing at this point is that they’re asking is, so who should any of us believe? I mean, there’s finger-pointing by Mensah and by you.

[Mr. Harris] (16:16 – 16:55)

Just believe the current stuff as it proceeds forward, okay? The FBI has not come and seized our office records. They went and seized Front Haul’s records at the Texas office.

And I’m sure it’s directly related. But under the agreement with us and some of the signings, they never turned over assets to us when we signed the Front Haul merger deal. And at the property that I went to with Mike Alexander, saw tractor-trailers parked in the middle of the woods, which made no logical sense.

And I was not about to, he’s dealing with a gun-toting redneck, okay? I was not about to drop out there and say, what the hell are the tractor-trailers doing out here in the middle of the woods?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (16:57 – 17:05)

Well, with regards to Mike, you know, Mike being a gun-toting redneck, I mean, you know, I think he’s gun-toting.

[Mr. Harris] (17:05 – 17:07)

I’m a redneck myself, so I’m not knocking the gentleman.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (17:07 – 17:12)

Right, right. And what I’m saying is he’s probably gun-toting because he’s a law enforcer.

[Mr. Harris] (17:12 – 17:30)

No, he used to be a law enforcer, but he was removed from his responsibility for supposedly scam of setting up the mayor’s son in a drug scheme in the city that he worked in, which was believed to be political, and he lost his career over that scenario. You can check it out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (17:31 – 17:42)

All right, so now what you’re telling the listeners and me is that Mike Alexander, even though when he was on the show…

[Mr. Harris] (17:40 – 17:47)

[inaudible] the man have always claimed that Front Haul was weeks away from bankruptcy. [Simon: Yes.] Okay. [inaudible] They asked for a couple million bucks and a couple million bucks wouldn’t have done anything but help the headache. It’s like them taking some aspirin. We offered them another [inaudible]. The only thing I can do for you is possibly merge into it we deal with this mess and move our company on forth, with our shareholders. That’s why we proceeded. I drafted the merger agreement. You can see it in the 8K. It was signed, executed, and we moved forward.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:13 – 18:22)

All right, so let me go back to something. You said something about the FBI has seized the Front Haul office.

[Mr. Harris] (18:24 – 18:27)

The FBI received documents … [inaudible] went and got documents from the Texas office. [Simon: When did that occur?] Ah, recently I don’t know the exact date. I can getcha that information.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:31 – 18:44)

No, I mean, I don’t need exact dates, but was it, like, last week, 3 months ago, 2 years ago? [Rufus: Recently.] Okay. [Rufus: Inaudible] Okay, so in 2007.

[Mr. Harris] (18:47 – 18:48)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:48 – 18:49)

Since 2007.

[Mr. Harris] (18:50 – 18:51)

Yes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:54 – 18:58)

So in 2007, the FBI has actually seized documents from the Front Haul office. [Rufus: Right.] Okay. [Rufus: My spin that I had heard on the thing is they were actually going after Conversion Solutions’ documents. Which is actually good because the only Conversion Solution documents that Mike and them got was the documents that said [inaudible]. You should be out the office …

[Mr. Harris] (19:14 – 19:42)

…that I had, say, Sabra Dabbs and Mitzopiniak, preparing the Naked Short Selling List. And they… The whole transaction was done in a matter of days, where they put out the press release, they’re taking over the company, and then all of a sudden, Sabra Dabbs provides in the hands of John Arlett and … Ah …

Good Lord, what’s that guy’s name? James… What was his…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (19:43 – 19:47)

Oh, James G. [Rufus: James G., there ya go. Sorry about that. I was blank for a second.] Okay. [Rufus: And James G. Last [inaudible] communication I had with them, before I stopped all communications, was James says, kickin’ out on the scenario, jumped out of it, forced the amount after, actually in my last conversation, on my birthday, at my party… we…]

[Mr. Harris] (20:12 – 20:15)

…forced him to put out a PR where he resigned that particular night.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:15 – 20:16)

Exactly, and I thought that was…

[Mr. Harris] (20:16 – 20:18)

In the middle of our conversation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:18 – 20:19)

Yes, yes, I do remember that.

[Mr. Harris] (20:19 – 20:21)

Because of my conversation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:22 – 20:29)

I thought it was possible that, you know, you being on the phone talking about this stuff forced him to resign, but, you know, that never…

[Mr. Harris] (20:29 – 20:37)

He did it on his own. When I started implementing the transfer agent and saying, man, they were able to file an 8K.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:38 – 20:38)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (20:38 – 20:42)

It isn’t that very interesting, if you go back to our last conversation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:43 – 20:44)

Okay, so…

[Mr. Harris] (20:44 – 21:01)

Because I was telling everyone that they were able to access the codes to Edgarize and file with his previous exchange commission an 8K when we had fought from the beginning of the takeover of this company to actually receive the codes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (21:02 – 21:23)

Right. Now, let me ask you… Let me take you in a different direction.

One thing that I said last night, you know, in jest, because, you know, they were asking me if I was aware that Mike was on the message boards posting and there was dialogue between the Sword of Truth and the Ghost of Christmas Past. I don’t know. Were you using any of those IDs last night?

[Mr. Harris] (21:24 – 21:28)

I’ve never used a false ID on any message boards.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (21:28 – 21:28)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (21:28 – 21:44)

If I post it says, Rufus Paul Harris, or, and if it’s [inaudible] Rufus Paul Harris from a posting, from … then I turn around and put Rufus Paul Harris again or Rufus Paul Harris CEO. Those are the only names I’ve ever posted under.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (21:44 – 22:35)

Okay. Now, one thing that was being said last night through those that are on the Hot Stock Market, they were saying that Mike Alexander is now running Conversion Solutions. I didn’t believe it.

And what I said in jest was, Now, let’s go ahead and look at the recent press releases. And the last news release I saw was from John Arlett stating that the move of Conversion Solutions office from Georgia to Lake Dallas, Texas, has been postponed and that they were actually, you know, evaluating the situation. They were going to look at ways to raise money.

And I made the joke saying, well, if Conversion Solutions has the bonds, if they have all this money, why do they need to raise money? You know, a company that’s going to fund joint ventures, that obviously means that they have money to give away. You know, they don’t need to raise money in order to give it away.

[Mr. Harris] (22:36 – 22:41)

We have not asked anyone to raise money. That is correct. We never needed any money from anyone.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (22:42 – 23:03)

So, going back to this news release that I’m talking about that John Arlett put out, I know you can’t speak for Mike, but in your opinion, why would you believe Mike is saying that, or people are believing that Mike is, you know, pulling things together. He’s going to put things in order.

[Mr. Harris] (23:04 – 23:51)

That’s their prerogative and that’s Mike’s prerogative. Mike made his choice. At first, Mike was the one that was, you know, I’m receiving death threats and people coming up to my house and all of this type stuff.

And my last conversation with Mike when he turned it over to me was he was giving me this stuff and that stuff and his wife, and if he didn’t resign, it’s going to cost him his marriage, and, you know, so on and so on. And he was going to drop it in the SEC’s hands, which is what I told him, keep this thing where the shareholders have a way to benefit but not allow it to go through a receivership, go in and get a forensic auditor and forensic audit the situation and make an official stand.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (23:51 – 24:05)

Right, and that was supposed to have been happening. Not only was Mike, while he was CEO, after you stepped down, not only was Mike supposed to be getting a forensic auditor, but he was also supposed to be going abroad to settle some deals. Now, while he was in…

[Mr. Harris] (24:05 – 24:08)

Yeah, this deal out of Brazil.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (24:08 – 24:21)

Okay. Now, so while he was supposed to be going over in Europe and closing some deals, you and I were on the phone as part of the show, and we established that Mike did not leave stateside. He never went abroad to close any deals.

[Mr. Harris] (24:22 – 24:30)

That is correct. He never went to Europe and sat down with Matt…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (24:30 – 24:30)

Romeo?

[Mr. Harris] (24:31 – 24:33)

Romeo, that is correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (24:33 – 25:00)

Okay, we’ll get to Romeo in just a minute. But now, the thing is, so with Mike being the CEO, according to the shareholders that follow the news and the events very closely at Conversion Solutions, the two highlights while Mike was the CEO was, one, forensic auditor, and number two, going abroad to close deals. We established that he did not go abroad and close any deals, and now we’re establishing that he didn’t get a forensic auditor, so he really didn’t do anything.

[Mr. Harris] (25:00 – 25:32)

No, he paid $7,500 for an attorney in Atlanta. And in the barbecue we had when we were going to court, he did all of that the night before the barbecue, okay? And what he told us was he actually hired that attorney to be an SEC attorney for the corporation, but once they got on the phone, that attorney got on the phone with the judge, and the SEC the next day in the federal court stated to his surprise that he was a forensic auditor.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (25:32 – 25:33)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (25:33 – 25:35)

Hired by the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (25:35 – 25:51)

Okay, so let me get this straight.

So while Mike was CEO, he spent $7,500 for an attorney to represent the company, which turned out to be a forensic auditor. Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (25:51 – 25:55)

Yes, it was a forensic auditor detained by the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (25:55 – 26:21)

All right, so now help me with this because this is where I’m confused. If Mike had paid $7,500 to get a representation for Conversion Solutions, why, number one, when you came back as CEO after he returned the reins to you, when asked did the company have a representation, you said no. That’s question one.

And the second question is if the…

[Mr. Harris] (26:21 – 26:44)

[inaudible], a representation in the case would be an SEC attorney. There had never been a firm actually hired for SEC. There were multiple institutions that had sent through their retainer documents and the type of stuff, information that they would need to put together a counter, as you might want to say, or an answer to the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (26:45 – 26:56)

Okay. All right. So the $7,500 that Mike spent, was that out of his own pocket or was that company funds?

[Mr. Harris] (26:58 – 27:04)

Ask Mike. It was never a question I asked of him. It was not Conversion Solutions funds that were held in our only bank account.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:05 – 27:21)

All right. So $7,500 came from an alternative source other than Conversion Solutions. Okay.

Now that money, what did that money buy, Conversion Solutions? What did you as a company receive for that, just someone to?

[Mr. Harris] (27:21 – 27:25)

A representation to do a forensic audit on the financials.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:25 – 27:30)

And was that completed? Or is it in process? Or what’s the status?

[Mr. Harris] (27:31 – 27:33)

There was never a follow-up with that attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:34 – 27:35)

Okay. So in a sense.

[Mr. Harris] (27:35 – 27:48)

Everything went to stale [???] link. I went through a scenario of putting documentation together to show the link between the Naked Short Selling and what they did for all in this scenario.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:49 – 27:50)

So in…

[Mr. Harris] (27:50 – 27:52)

I’m not concerned with the bonds.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:52 – 27:52)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (27:52 – 27:53)

The way to do.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:53 – 27:53)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (27:53 – 28:08)

Okay. If the bonds turn out to be fraud and proven in the court system, then it’s like I’ve said to the SEC, and lock the SOBs up from out of Washington, D.C. and Venezuela and everyone involved.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:08 – 28:08)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (28:08 – 28:27)

My comment to them was, you better call Interpol. If all of these systems cleared, the Euroclear system into Europe and bank accounts and transactions were set up based upon the validation through the Euroclear system, then you’ve got a much bigger problem than hollering Naked Short Selling by the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:28 – 28:34)

Right. But going back to. So we got into a stalemate.

So some attorney was paid $7,500.

[Mr. Harris] (28:34 – 28:35)

Correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:35 – 28:37)

No work had been done because of a stalemate.

So.

[Mr. Harris] (28:38 – 28:39)

Not a stalemate.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:40 – 28:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (28:40 – 28:42)

I was preparing documentation and an answer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:43 – 28:44)

I thought.

[Mr. Harris] (28:44 – 28:52)

I’m going to explain the scenario and an answer to the court system, 100%, the federal court system, and let the court system make its own judgment.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:52 – 28:56)

Okay. Maybe I didn’t hear you correctly. I thought I heard you say that.

[Mr. Harris] (28:56 – 28:59)

So I never proceeded forward with the forensic attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:59 – 29:04)

Okay. So somebody just made $7,500 for doing nothing. Right?

[Mr. Harris] (29:04 – 29:06)

No. He’s on retainer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:07 – 29:08)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (29:08 – 29:09)

Whether he answers to Mike or me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:10 – 29:10)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (29:10 – 29:40)

So my answer will be 100% put together to explain the whole scenario. But that’s not going to happen until we’ve entered into agreement and put together a complete package to get to the shareholders to move the corporation out of the court system. And then I as an individual will stay in the federal court system under the same allegations and walk the court system through the allegations and who and what and how.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:40 – 29:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (29:41 – 29:44)

But I wanted the shareholders and the corporation to move in a different direction.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:44 – 29:44)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (29:44 – 30:18)

So we have been preparing a proxy to be filed in the court, to the court, and the SEC of a scenario to move the corporation out and the shareholders on with assets, different assets. And then I’ll stay behind with the bonds and everything and sort this stuff out with the feds.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:19 – 30:22)

So does that imply that you’re going to step down as CEO again?

[Mr. Harris] (30:23 – 30:24)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:24 – 30:24)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (30:25 – 30:25)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:25 – 30:25)

So you’ll still…

[Mr. Harris] (30:25 – 30:28)

The proxy will speak for itself.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:29 – 30:30)

Okay. When can we…

[Mr. Harris] (30:30 – 30:36)

When the whole package comes out to the court system, it will be filed in an answer and a solution to the court system.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:36 – 30:39)

All right. When can we expect that proxy?

[Mr. Harris] (30:40 – 30:50)

You can expect that within… You’re sneaky, but…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:50 – 30:51)

I’m sneaky.

[Mr. Harris] (30:51 – 31:04)

I’m bold. You’re sneaky. I’m bold.

I know. You just want answers. I’m bold.

All the documentation is together. I’m going to say give us two weeks to put the scenario and finish all of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:04 – 31:05)

All right. Now this is…

[Mr. Harris] (31:05 – 31:07)

Get it signed off on and put the proper attorneys in place.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:07 – 31:19)

Okay. So this is something that I’ve always done with you, Rufus. You know, anytime that we’ve talked.

Anytime you’ve given me a date or a time frame, I’ve always padded that for you. You’ve never asked me to do that.

[Mr. Harris] (31:19 – 31:21)

Yeah, you always have. You always have.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:21 – 31:21)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (31:21 – 31:27)

And everyone always says, if I pin everyone’s ears back on a two-week time frame, it always takes double that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:27 – 31:28)

Right. And so what I’m going to do…

[Mr. Harris] (31:28 – 31:36)

That’s my downfall. My time frames are extremely aggressive.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:36 – 31:36)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (31:38 – 31:45)

And it’s just the managerial style that I have. I set high goals and I push everybody to that goal.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:45 – 31:45)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (31:45 – 31:58)

If it’s achievable… If you set a meeting and you tell me you can perform, I ask everyone in the individual, and everyone says two days, three days, one day, and five days. I add those days up and say, guess what?

This is our time frame.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:58 – 31:58)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (31:58 – 32:04)

You have two days to do what you said you were going to do. You have five days. You have two days.

You have one day.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:04 – 32:04)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (32:04 – 32:15)

You’re going to set a meeting and tell me this is the realistic time frame that I can expect the documentation in my hand than this is our time frame to be completed, and I’m going to press it to the world.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:16 – 32:23)

Okay. So now you’re saying two weeks. I’m going to go ahead and give you an additional two weeks.

So right now if we say two weeks…

[Mr. Harris] (32:23 – 32:24)

Thirty days is what you’re saying. Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:24 – 32:48)

Okay. Yeah. So we’re saying that by February…

Let’s go out on a limb. Let’s say by February 23rd. Okay.

That’s a little more than 30 days. So by February 23rd, people who are shareholders in Conversion Solutions, they should have received by that point a proxy statement explaining what your proposal is. Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (32:48 – 33:08)

It will have full details of everything, the current situation. It will be filed with the SEC. It will be filed in the federal court as an answer, and as an option for the judge.

We’re going to ask the judge and the court system to approve an immediate proxy for the shareholders to move out and each corporation to be removed from the lawsuit.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:08 – 33:13)

When you propose that the shareholders move out, what does that mean? Meaning…

[Mr. Harris] (33:14 – 33:21)

Move out of the default being held in the company. The company right now in the federal court system is under a default for failure to answer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:22 – 33:22)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (33:23 – 33:41)

Okay. To move out from under that default with the SEC and the federal court system, you have to open it up, the default up, and file an answer to the court. How are you even going to proceed as a corporation unless you’re a dumbass?

Excuse my saying.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:41 – 33:48)

I was going to say just be careful because a lot of listeners are probably saying exactly that was our point from day one, Rufus. You didn’t get counsel, and you know…

[Mr. Harris] (33:50 – 33:52)

I [inaudible] counsel at that particular time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:53 – 33:53)

Okay. Alright. So…

[Mr. Harris] (33:56 – 34:06)

I’m doing this as a CEO and I’ve done it from day one as a CEO. You’re right. Put it on my shoulders.

I don’t care. That’s why I would not allow one individual to include the board to sign any documents out of the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (34:07 – 34:25)

Now let’s change gears again. There’s questions about did you, yes or no, did you, Rufus Paul Harris, ask any of the current or former shareholder committee members for a loan to hire an attorney, yes or no?

[Mr. Harris] (34:25 – 34:50)

Negative. Negative. Whoever [???] made that statement.

You’re not only a liar and a fraud. You’re part of that thing. If someone made that comment to you as a shareholder and if you’re on the shareholder committee and someone else on the shareholder committee says that to you, you’re looking at a liar and a fraud.

And if I will put money on it, we’ll be found to be part of a naked short selling or either the selling of a illegal shares to the market. And that’s bold.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (34:51 – 35:38)

All right. Let’s talk about something with regards to the shareholder committee.

Now there was a press release back when this was first formed, the shareholder committee, there was a press release announcing the emergency meeting in Washington, D.C. on a Sunday. And as part of that same press release, you had stated that there was going to be a conference call on a Saturday. Now that conference call, that press release was actually misinterpreted by several people, including myself, because I read it to mean that there was going to be another press release, there was going to be some kind of announcement saying, here is a bridge line, here’s a conference number, those that want to participate in this conference can do so.

But that wasn’t the case. It was actually kind of a closed doors meeting between…

[Mr. Harris] (35:38 – 35:40)

Well, let me help you with that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (35:40 – 35:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (35:40 – 35:52)

Let me help you understand that scenario. In the initial shareholder meeting of, I guess it was of the committee, people that were proposed and had signed up through James G. who had formed the shareholder committee…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (35:52 – 35:52)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (35:52 – 36:11)

…and put the shareholder committee website. In a conversation with yourself and about 10 other individuals, it was actually stated that they had the ability to do and prepare a proxy through an online scenario on their website. My instructions to them was make it so.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:11 – 36:12)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (36:12 – 36:25)

You say you can do it, prepare it, and we will move forward in that scenario. We will do a proxy with the shareholders and do this thing, bam, bam, bam, present it to the court and go off that way.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:25 – 36:38)

So now let me stop you there and ask you, this conference call that started out as seven people went to 20, whatever the number was, it was told to the outsiders, if I can use that word…

[Mr. Harris] (36:38 – 36:42)

I understand everyone expected to be available or to get on to a conference call.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:43 – 36:43)

Right. But beyond that…

[Mr. Harris] (36:43 – 36:47)

When it was asked of me by James G., I left that in his authority.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:47 – 36:48)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (36:48 – 36:54)

I said, James, make it as many people or as few people as you see fit.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:54 – 36:55)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (36:55 – 36:56)

And post the results on your website.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:56 – 37:44)

Right. And so my point is not necessarily the details of who said what said and things like that or who called the shots, but one thing that was told to the outsiders by the insiders, meaning James or whoever was part of the original meeting, they said that there would be no secrecy, that the conference call was being recorded. I think Anthony was one of those participants.

You know, last time you and Anthony were on the phone, it kind of got a little heated and there was references to what was said. Why isn’t it? My question is this.

Why hasn’t that tape, if you will, been made available for shareholders to hear what was actually said by Rufus? What was said by James?

[Mr. Harris] (37:45 – 38:31)

I would actually ask that of your committee member. You’re signed up on a website. Ask that of your committee leaders, whatever you want to call them.

I told James G., giving him full authority to appoint two to seven individuals as committee members of the corporation. My instruction was to evaluate what they’ve seen and give me something in writing. The first thing they’ve done is come back and wanted me to immediately, more or less tried to order me to immediately sign a 15C211 with a market maker provided by John Arlett and other individuals, and I refused to.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (38:31 – 38:49)

Right, okay. Yeah, we’ll get into that in a minute. A question from one of the listeners is actually, can you ask Rufus about the original auditor for the company, Daryl Horton?

Now, specifically, specifically they want to know.

[Mr. Harris] (38:50 – 38:54)

Hold your question, hold your question. I won’t make a comment and then you proceed forward with your question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (38:54 – 38:55)

Okay, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (38:56 – 39:01)

I’m back. Now we’re going to finish this.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:01 – 39:01)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (39:01 – 39:02)

Go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:02 – 39:15)

All right, so now the question is, is there any relationship between Daryl Horton and Ben Stanley? If there is a relationship, what is that relationship?

[Mr. Harris] (39:17 – 39:18)

I mean, what are you asking? Are they lovers?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:19 – 39:23)

No. Are they kin? Are they related? Are they cousins? Are they brothers?

[Mr. Harris] (39:25 – 39:31)

No, I don’t think they are.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:31 – 39:33)

Okay, all right.

[Mr. Harris] (39:33 – 39:34)

I think they’re only acquaintances.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:35 – 39:47)

Okay. Yeah, I think this listener actually believes that Daryl has the middle name Stanley. Is that true or not?

Daryl Stanley Horton?

[Mr. Harris] (39:49 – 39:50)

I’m not aware of that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:50 – 39:58)

Okay, all right.

So now going back to Daryl Horton, what’s the status with him? He was the original auditor.

[Mr. Harris] (40:00 – 40:04)

I haven’t removed Daryl Horton as auditor, as the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (40:06 – 40:13)

Well, I thought it was really interesting back when the company was first served. They only served [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (40:13 – 40:19)

Daryl was not the auditor. Daryl Horton is the CFO. The auditor is actually Thomas Benson.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (40:20 – 40:24)

Okay, so Thomas Benson was the auditor. He’s the independent auditor.

[Mr. Harris] (40:24 – 40:25)

That is correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (40:25 – 40:25)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (40:25 – 41:06)

Daryl Horton was the CFO of the corporation, but I have not removed any one of them from their positions or terminated them. Actually, we owe Mr. Horton a nice little sum, but we have not paid in the middle of it. That is correct, and it’s not because we don’t have the money.

It’s just because we submit the documents to him and it proceeds forward. Everything is as it is. No one has a problem, and we have a good relationship now, I mean with Mr. Benson. In fact, Mr. Benson recently gave testimony to the U.S. Attorney General’s office in Michigan.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (41:08 – 41:09)

You said Mr. Benson.

[Mr. Harris] (41:10 – 41:11)

Mr. Benson and the CFO.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (41:12 – 41:14)

Okay, Thomas Benson. Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

[Mr. Harris] (41:14 – 41:21)

Thomas Benson and Daryl Horton, a.k.a. Daryl Stanley Horton.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (41:21 – 41:31)

Okay, now I’m with you. Now, here’s where it really becomes nothing more than a big cluster, a big mess, because-

[Mr. Harris] (41:32 – 41:57)

I don’t think it’s a big mess. I don’t see it as a big mess. I see it as a corporation in the scenario that needs to file an answer, and a lot of naked short-selling that totes over 600 million shares in the Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board, which is owned by NASDAQ, allowed by all the institutions to include all the major institutions, go back to the press release, vis-à-vis TD Ameritrade.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (41:57 – 41:57)

Right, right, right.

[Mr. Harris] (41:58 – 42:05)

There’s quite a bit of shares sold from these institutions that the shares were not there to sell.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:05 – 42:18)

Yeah, but I think a lot of people will agree with me. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t, but I think the whole naked short-selling scenario, the termination, the short elimination, that’s an issue that’s kind of on the back burner right now. You’ve got to deal with it.

[Mr. Harris] (42:18 – 42:26)

That’s fine. It may be on your back burner, but it’s the whole scenario, and if you don’t see it that way, then your mind’s not where it needs to be.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:26 – 42:26)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (42:26 – 42:37)

You’ve got your mind out in left field. You better pay attention to it. The majority of your shares, or the people so-called calling themselves shareholders out there, are these naked short shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:37 – 42:38)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (42:38 – 42:39)

They’re not on the no-go list.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:40 – 42:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (42:40 – 43:04)

You’re not holding real shares. If you bought one of the 600 million shares traded in the market, and it was traded at $4 at an average of $1.80 for over 45 to 48 days, you didn’t buy a real share. I said this from day one when I spoke to you. [Simon: Right.]

I said the float’s gone, ladies and gentlemen, 31 million.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:04 – 43:05)

Yes, you did.

[Mr. Harris] (43:05 – 43:05)

What are you trading?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:06 – 43:06)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (43:07 – 43:09)

If the idiots are going to sell it to you, buy it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:10 – 43:24)

That’s what you did say. You’re going to get your money. Okay, and that’s what you’ve also said.

So the whole thing, because you have said a lot. You’ve said that if you find yourself not on the NOBO list to contact, I think it was Mitch. Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (43:25 – 43:33)

Mitch and Faber were both taking phone calls into our corporation at our Peachtree location.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:33 – 43:34)

Sure, right.

[Mr. Harris] (43:34 – 43:40)

And it was to document a numerous number of shareholders that were not on the list.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:41 – 43:59)

My only point of bringing up Mitch into the conversation is this, that you’re saying that if people aren’t concerned about the naked short situation, then they’re out in left field. But I don’t think that people are in left field, because you’ve said multiple times that the company will take care of the shareholders, whether they’re on the NOBO list or not.

[Mr. Harris] (43:59 – 44:03)

Yes, we will be there for the shareholders, and it will be victorious.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:03 – 44:03)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (44:03 – 44:21)

We cannot perform this type of activity in the United States market in front of the federal court system. There will be answers. Every share sold and who sold it and who bought it will wind up being subpoenaed in this scenario by the SEC and the Fed.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:21 – 44:22)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (44:22 – 44:34)

There will be answers. And they’re looking. And, fellas, they’re coming.

You’re trying to point the finger at me. Go ahead and point the finger at me. All I did is expose your butt, and it’s over.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:34 – 44:35)

Okay. So let me ask you this.

[Mr. Harris] (44:35 – 44:37)

It will lead to a change in our market.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:37 – 44:45)

Okay. And that’s what everybody wants to believe. They really want to believe, but there’s been a lot of, you know, bad-

There hasn’t been a lot.

[Mr. Harris] (44:45 – 44:49)

All you’ve been doing is going out there reading the trash. I told you to stay away from it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:49 – 44:51)

I don’t read the trash.

[Mr. Harris] (44:51 – 44:57)

I mean, the people that’s reading it. The people that’s sitting here sitting with us, drawing these conclusions or drawing them from reading trash.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:57 – 44:57)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (44:57 – 45:17)

You get caught up in the daily soap operas of HSM and so on. They’re good things to go and put out information and get information. They’re not good things to sit on and roost and make it your daily home and sit and talk about junk because you lead off into a different world and an alternate reality, and you start believing your own crap that you talk.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:17 – 45:30)

Okay. So the reason I was asking about Daryl Horton and this being a big cluster and mess, the reason I said that phrase was, you know, you’re saying that you haven’t removed, you know, either Benson or Horton … and-

[Mr. Harris] (45:31 – 45:35)

And neither has the court system. Okay. And they have not been indicted.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:35 – 45:59)

Okay. So here’s where, in my opinion, at least I, I can only speak for myself at this point, this is where I’m confused. All right.

You’ve said in the past to only believe the SEC filings. We’ve had press releases. We’ve had SEC filings say the following points.

While Mike Alexander was CEO, he removed everyone.

[Mr. Harris] (45:59 – 46:14)

I agree. I agree. And what was my answer?

What was my answer on my birthday when you asked me the same question? You know, that’s a very interesting question, Simon. And if I’m not mistaken, I think that relates to whoever has the code.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (46:14 – 46:15)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (46:15 – 46:34)

That’s a very interesting deal that they were able to file SEC filings and they never turned the codes over to us. Who are these people that have that authority? You give me that answer and the feds find out that answer and you’ll have the solution to the whole naked short sale.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (46:35 – 46:52)

Okay. But the reason I’m asking you about this situation with Mike Alexander removing people and so forth, it goes back to, you know, frankly, personally, to me I could care less who the CEO is. I could care less how many board members.

I could care less any of those details because that’s me as a trader.

[Mr. Harris] (46:52 – 46:54)

You’re just worried about your investment.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (46:54 – 47:34)

Well, not really. I mean, I still own the shares that I have, but as I said earlier in the show, you know, I made money day trading the stock. The stock that I do have is leftover, you know, so if anything comes of it, great.

If not, not a big deal. I’m in a very unique situation. I wish everyone was in the same situation I was that I’m in, but that’s not the case.

But going back to the reason I’m bringing this to the front of the conversation is in order for Conversion Solutions to move beyond where it is now, the reality is number one, it’s a gray market stock. Number two, as a gray market stock, it has no bid, no ask, no market maker representation.

[Mr. Harris] (47:34 – 47:35)

And you’re trading blind.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (47:35 – 47:50)

Right. Number three fact is it’s down at $0.09. All right. And so in order for Conversion Solutions to move beyond where it currently is, it’s kind of stuck in the mud.

It’s almost like in quicksand. If something doesn’t happen.

[Mr. Harris] (47:50 – 47:52)

It doesn’t look pretty right now.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (47:52 – 48:11)

Right. No, it doesn’t. And you need, you know, not only you, I’m saying you as in the listeners, anyone listening to the conversation, you need to be realistic and understand that if something isn’t done, this is not mud that Conversion Solution is in.

It’s in quicksand. And if nothing happens, it’s going to just disappear and go away. If that happens.

[Mr. Harris] (48:11 – 48:13)

It’s not going to disappear and go away. I can promise you that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:14 – 48:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (48:16 – 48:26)

[Inaudible] If I have a problem, you’ll hear it from me. I’m the first to stand on top of the mountain and say, hey, this [inaudible] great. And ain’t [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:26 – 48:41)

All right. So now if keyword IF, if it were to go away, you’re saying it’s not going to go away. But if it were to go away, then that’s nothing that the naked shorters or any of the people that are the bad guys, they don’t have anything to worry about.

That’s what they want it to do. They want it to disappear.

[Mr. Harris] (48:43 – 48:48)

They’re scared to death. Why do you think they’re dancing and coming out with everything they’re doing?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:48 – 48:49)

What are they doing?

[Mr. Harris] (48:49 – 48:51)

Have you seen the filing and the follow-up from the SEC?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:52 – 48:53)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (48:56 – 48:59)

Have they put something out about it? Don’t trade it. Don’t buy it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:00 – 49:00)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (49:01 – 49:29)

I mean, where is it at? Everyone that was trading under the 15C211, they were halted. The beautiful thing was the shareholders committee jumped right in, grabbed ahold of it, and pulled that float under by saying, first thing you need to do is sign a 15C211, and we want to order you to do so, and we will even provide you with a market maker that will sign the document.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:30 – 49:35)

That’s a beautiful thing, how? I mean, how is it beautiful from a shareholder perspective? I mean, as a result of it.

[Mr. Harris] (49:35 – 49:41)

Look at it this way. I’m going to give you my mindset. Yes.

Take it or leave it. Don’t care.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:41 – 49:42)

Sure.

[Mr. Harris] (49:42 – 49:45)

What if I told you from day one, if you don’t like it, sell it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:45 – 49:45)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (49:48 – 49:49)

And get out of my hair.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:51 – 49:52)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (49:52 – 50:03)

I’ve told everyone that from day one. The only people that can be upset at me, in my reality, if you want to call it, is the convert CVSU and Wattle [inaudible for 26 seconds].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:29 – 50:45)

Before this call, I got a message saying that some people are going to boycott SubPenny Radio because they lost X number of dollars and so forth, and I said, look, you have no one to blame other than yourself. So you and I are right there on the same page with regards to that.

[Mr. Harris] (50:45 – 50:56)

That’s my reality. The only people that can be upset at me, and that’s just me, I’m straightforward. I don’t hold a shot, and I ain’t afraid to step up and swing the bat.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:56 – 50:57)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (50:58 – 51:14)

I told all the CVSU shareholders are the only people and the Wattle shareholders that were put into this. They agreed to it, and they went under my direction. They’re the only ones that really, that I can figure, that can be upset at me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:14 – 51:15)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (51:15 – 51:33)

In my reality. Everyone else can be upset because of what’s going on. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you bought the shares, your broker sold it to you, which I don’t know how he did.

You need to ask him that question. And if you’re not on the NOBO list, you really need to be concerned.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:33 – 51:49)

All right. So since you’re the batter at bat, let me pitch you another question. In order for Conversion Solutions to move beyond where it is, both you and I agree that it’s not a pretty thing where it is, what, in my opinion, needs to happen is there needs to be a…

[Mr. Harris] (51:49 – 51:51)

I say this is better shape than it was in Front Haul.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:52 – 51:52)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (51:52 – 52:12)

It’s trading at a higher price than when we sat down with them, and it was tanked. You’re in better shape than it was originally if you’re original Front Haul shareholder. We will put assets in.

You will vote as a proxy if you’re on the NOBO list. The rest of these preferred shares, I’m going to leave you in the federal court system, and you can hack that out with them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:13 – 52:30)

Okay. But see, there’s a problem with that answer, in my mind. You’re right.

What you said is accurate. The current CSHD is trading, I think, higher than FHAL did back prior to July. That’s a true statement.

However, there’s been a lot of people…

[Mr. Harris] (52:30 – 52:33)

It’s not an over-counter. It’s not a bulletin board. I understand blah, blah, blah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:33 – 52:34)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (52:34 – 52:39)

And it’s in a federal court in the default. Yes, I understand that. All of that will be worked through very shortly.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:39 – 52:41)

Okay. All right. So I’m just letting you know.

[Mr. Harris] (52:41 – 52:46)

That’s my answer concerning that, and I’m not going into that any further.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:46 – 53:08)

Okay. And I’m not going to ask you to go into that further. What I’m trying to get out of you, though, is this.

Now, in my opinion, as a stock trader, as a person that has some understanding of the market, not a lot, but some, in order for a stock to move up long-term, not a pump-and-dump, but actually have, you know…

[Mr. Harris] (53:08 – 53:11)

[Inaudible] incorporation as we designed it from the beginning.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:11 – 53:14)

Exactly. So in order for Conversion Solutions to get to where…

[Mr. Harris] (53:14 – 53:16)

Hard aspects and good leadership.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:16 – 53:27)

Yes, and you need to have that thing. But in addition to those two points, good leadership and hard assets, it also needs to be able to exude investor confidence and improve investor confidence.

[Mr. Harris] (53:27 – 53:28)

That is true. Not a concern of mine.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:28 – 53:29)

Well…

[Mr. Harris] (53:29 – 53:36)

Not a concern.

You’ll get the proxy. Vote on it. Do your due diligence on the proxy.

Vote. Choose your option.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:36 – 53:39)

See, and that’s a good step in the right direction.

[Mr. Harris] (53:40 – 53:41)

And that’s your decision as the shareholder.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:42 – 53:43)

Yes, exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (53:43 – 53:43)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:43 – 53:53)

That’s a good step in the right direction. However, with the situation being a mess, you know, PRs, SEC filings, who’s to believe any of it? That’s my whole point, really.

[Mr. Harris] (53:53 – 54:06)

Who’s to believe any of what? A proxy that’s performed under the watchful eye of a court reporter in the federal court and documented in federal court? Who’s to believe any of that?

Is that your answer?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:06 – 54:07)

My question, yes.

[Mr. Harris] (54:08 – 54:21)

You know, if you can’t believe what goes on in the federal court system, we’ve got bigger problems than that, dude. Okay, just hang it up. Quit investing, please.

Quit investing altogether. Get the hell out of the market.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:22 – 54:24)

Because I’m thinking it’s like you know.

[Mr. Harris] (54:24 – 54:29)

If you’re skeptical of that, just forget it. I mean, hang it up. You’ll never be happy unless you get into a Google.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:30 – 54:41)

Sure. Look, but to see the thing is, I’m sure there’s some listeners out there thinking it’s like, okay, yeah, yeah, we’ve heard this song and dance. We’ve heard these promises.

You know, it’s like the boy that cried wolf. You know, okay, maybe you are.

[Mr. Harris] (54:41 – 54:42)

The boy that cried wolf.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:43 – 54:44)

You know the story behind that, right?

[Mr. Harris] (54:44 – 54:53)

Now, you as the Front Haul shareholder was the one that was crying wolf. I just went out there and shot the wolf and hung it up and said, all right, now let’s go on and make money.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:53 – 54:56)

All right, well, we’ll see. Time will tell, as I like to say.

[Mr. Harris] (54:56 – 54:59)

Ah, yes. It’s always down to that key thing called time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (54:59 – 55:16)

Yeah, time will tell. All right, so here’s a question from some of the other listeners. It says, this is important.

AJW Toxic Financing at 50 million shares, Front Haul filed in their SB2. Do you know anything about that?

[Mr. Harris] (55:17 – 55:20)

Wow. That’s something.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (55:21 – 55:23)

So you don’t know anything about that?

[Mr. Harris] (55:23 – 55:25)

You know, that’s one of many.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (55:26 – 55:27)

That’s one of many?

[Mr. Harris] (55:27 – 55:35)

Yeah. Yeah, one of many. Go back and read all the Front Haul. You were a Front Haul investor. If you were a Front Haul investor and you didn’t read the SEC filing, shame on you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (55:35 – 55:36)

All right, so let me-

[Mr. Harris] (55:36 – 55:42)

If you didn’t know what you were involved in, that’s why we told you we’d point it out to you, help you get out of this mess and then you cut me off.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (55:43 – 56:01)

Okay. So can you connect the dots for people and say, because earlier you made a connection, or you made a statement that says that there’s a connection between John Arlett and AJW even prior to Conversion Solutions back… You know, how can someone find and make those dots connected?

[Mr. Harris] (56:01 – 56:02)

Call them and ask them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:03 – 56:04)

Call them and ask them?

[Mr. Harris] (56:04 – 56:09)

If you can get them. How far back in the filings do you need to go?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:10 – 56:10)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (56:11 – 56:22)

Any of the funding, any toxic funding whatsoever, go back and look at how Mike got his shares. How does the CEO of a corporation have 14 million free trading shares? Did he buy them?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:24 – 56:26)

Okay. All right, so let me ask you.

[Mr. Harris] (56:26 – 56:31)

Where’s the cash that you bought them with? What dollar range did you buy them with? You know, who did you buy them from?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:32 – 56:47)

Were they real shares? Here’s a question from your buddy. Here’s one of your favorite buddies.

He’s asking, do you think John Arlett and Mike Alexander were naked shorting the stock? Yes or no?

[Mr. Harris] (56:47 – 57:43)

I don’t think John Arlett and Mike Alexander were. The way Mike give it to me when he was crying wolf was that, John, these people had arranged financing for the corporation. He took it.

Now they’re threatening him. Now they’re threatening this. So on and so on.

They need additional capital to proceed, and he couldn’t break loose from it. His company had been naked short-sold over and over. There was nothing they could do.

They knew the owner of HSM. They knew the owner or the people, the majority of the people on some big naked short-selling site that has a congressman signed up under it, and so on and so on. I said, dude, I can help you.

I’ve been up against these guys, and I can help you, and here’s how I’ll help you. That was it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (57:44 – 57:52)

Okay. All right. So earlier in the conversation, we brought up Romeo, and I said we’ll get to him in a moment.

Well, it’s Romeo’s question.

[Mr. Harris] (57:52 – 57:57)

Did you not like where that was going? Or are we just jumping around here?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (57:57 – 58:19)

Well, I’m trying to get to some of the questions that are being asked by the listeners. It says, also, let me back up here and see. It says, ask Rufus if the bond ownership documents are fake or real, and what’s your answer to that?

[Mr. Harris] (58:19 – 58:41)

Well, I’m going to give you the same thing I’ll testify in any court, in front of any congressional hearing or anything, the same answer. The documents provided to me made it through the scrutiny of various European banks. The Euroclear screen codes that were given were accessible and confirmed, and it was proceeded forward.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (58:42 – 58:42)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (58:42 – 59:27)

Whether or not that scenario is going to go positive or negative, I don’t have a crystal ball. I’m going to tell you everything was performed on myself, Ben Stanley, the corporation. That is what we were designed to do is fund bonds and fund any type of bond or asset.

We were set up and designed this company to be an asset management corporation. These people stepped up. All the codes, like I told you, they were tied, had big names from D.C., the Pentagon. It went very successful, at a point, until the SEC steps up and starts hollering they’re fake.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (59:27 – 59:52)

Okay. Now, on the point of them being fake and Romeo, apparently this individual has actually made the long-distance call and spoken directly with Romeo himself, and Romeo is actually saying that the bond ownership documents are fake. Why would Romeo be telling shareholders or anyone that called him directly?

[Mr. Harris] (59:52 – 1:00:03)

I’m just going to tell you very seriously, I doubt that. That’s what I’m telling you. I’m going to say the person saying it, I would be very skeptical of that information.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:00:04 – 1:00:07)

So you don’t believe this individual actually spoke with Romeo?

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:08 – 1:00:29)

I’m not saying he didn’t speak with Romeo, but I’m going to say that would not have been the exact words to come out of Romeo’s mouth. I’m going to tell you Romeo has been notified to stand down on any involvement with the bonds, and everyone all the way through to the ambassador or UNESCO had spoken with the SEC, and things went all the way through the whole chain.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:00:29 – 1:00:37)

Okay. Okay. Now what, because there’s been actually some internet, I guess, web blogs or whatever you want to call them, websites.

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:37 – 1:00:39)

All bullshit, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:00:39 – 1:00:50)

They’re saying that Romeo has been contacted, and Romeo’s crying foul play, that he was scammed by you, and then he changed his story.

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:50 – 1:00:55)

Nah, nah, dude, don’t listen to it. And be very skeptical of the person that tells you so.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:00:56 – 1:00:56)

Well, all right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:56 – 1:01:18)

Okay, trust me. I’ve had conversations with Romeo, and Romeo is, my last conversation with Romeo was Romeo saying, wanting a gold deal that we had on our table out of South America, wanting to put it into his publicly traded gold company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:01:18 – 1:01:18)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:18 – 1:01:22)

That had a license to buy gold through UBS, through Balkin House [???].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:01:22 – 1:01:23)

When’s the last time you saw him?

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:23 – 1:01:50)

That was my last conversation with Romeo. It didn’t have anything to do with, oh, the bonds are fake, oh, the bonds are fraud, everybody’s scared. No, and his only issue was that he had signed when we first set it up with the bank, and his name’s on it, and his reputation’s at stake.

And, you know, he’s upset at what relationship it may cause him and his institutions. And that was it. The institutions had no problem with it, otherwise they wouldn’t have set up the credit facility.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:01:51 – 1:01:55)

So let me ask you, when was the last time you actually spoke with Romeo?

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:58 – 1:02:05)

I couldn’t tell you. I don’t know the exact date and time. I could probably go back and get my phone records from Nextel and find them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:07 – 1:02:13)

Okay. But, I mean, just ballpark, again, you know, we’re not under oath, we’re not part of the court.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:13 – 1:02:14)

It was December sometime.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:15 – 1:02:27)

Okay, so December of 06? Yes. Okay.

You had the individual saying that he spoke with Romeo Christmas Eve, and he actually recorded the phone conversation. So I don’t know.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:27 – 1:02:31)

Good, good. Keep it. At least I’ll feel it before the court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:31 – 1:02:46)

All right, well, good, good, I guess. Let’s take a look and see. We’ve got Gambar Aid [???] asking, it says, ask Rufus where his horses from Georgia Breeders came from.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:49 – 1:02:50)

Where they came from?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:51 – 1:02:59)

I guess if I were to try to read into that question, what they’re wanting to know is where did you get the money to buy those horses? Who cares where they came from?

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:00 – 1:03:02)

I bought the horses with my personal cash.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:05 – 1:03:05)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:05 – 1:03:12)

The horses, the company’s not buying the horses. The company leases the facility for $2,500 a month.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:15 – 1:03:19)

The company is leasing the land of the barn from you, or they’re leasing it?

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:19 – 1:03:23)

No. From a third party.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:23 – 1:03:23)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:23 – 1:03:25)

Unassociated with the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:26 – 1:03:26)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:26 – 1:03:27)

That was it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:27 – 1:03:44)

All right. And so now people are basically saying that with regards to you asking shareholder members for money, they’re saying not only did you ask them for a loan to hire an attorney, but you had actually asked them for an exact amount. You had asked for $200,000.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:45 – 1:04:51)

No, you’re a liar. Whoever you are, you’re a liar. And I challenge you to take a lie detector test, my friend.

Because I’ve sat beside you and pointed up to another one. You’re a liar. You say that, you are a liar.

But there was a conversation that went on, but I was not involved with it. This was when certain individual shareholders flew in, very connected individuals, and drove several different, very large law firms to us and saying, here, these guys will tackle this, these guys will squash it, they will jump in and spank the SEC if they’re involved. Sat down.

And in their conversation with the shareholder committee, when I was dealing with the shareholder committee, the actual time and date they were there, and they called Ben, and Ben put one of them on the phone. He was Dwayne Woods that was originally part of Wattle Holdings.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:04:51 – 1:04:53)

And he said Dwayne Woods?

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:53 – 1:05:20)

Dwayne Woods. He’s the one that brought in these firms and so on and so on and an SEC guy. So I asked a lot of questions and draw a conclusion on what they think.

And they told very good firms, very reckonable firms in our way. Which this will happen to be the one that Arlett claimed to have hired but never did. That was very interesting.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:21 – 1:05:22)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:23 – 1:05:29)

You know, if you actually write this down, I’m telling you, it’s a movie. It’s going to be one hell of a book.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:30 – 1:05:35)

It already is. Well, you said that you were in the final processes of writing the chapters and the book was going to be done.

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:35 – 1:05:37)

Yes, it was-

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:37 – 1:05:39)

Are you still working on it?

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:40 – 1:05:48)

Well, no. That was in reference to the whole scenario being referred to as a book.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:49 – 1:05:49)

Okay, gotcha.

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:50 – 1:05:52)

Not in writing a particular book.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:52 – 1:05:53)

Sure.

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:53 – 1:05:57)

That was just a smart-ass comment of mine, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:05:57 – 1:06:07)

Okay, maybe I should write the book. Go ahead, please do. Who knows?

Army Guy. I think Army Guy is out at HotStock.com [???].

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:07 – 1:06:09)

And do it in your very objective way.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:06:09 – 1:06:24)

I’ll try. I’ll try to do that. So Army Guy is asking, with regard to the court proceedings, how do you see, again, you don’t have a crystal ball, but how do you see this panning out in the next year?

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:24 – 1:07:06)

I see a proxy vote coming out in the near future. approved and agreed through the court system. I see the judge allowing it, probably appointing a court reporter and probably the forensic attorney to oversee the whole scenario.

And the shareholders will have an opportunity to vote on a project that will include access to buy this situation out, yay or nay, and a whole new board of directors and officers. And that will leave it still on the company’s record, but it will allow it to move forward in a very positive manner.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:07 – 1:07:08)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:07:08 – 1:07:12)

A full prospectus will be provided with this proxy statement.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:12 – 1:07:12)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:07:12 – 1:07:23)

The prospectus will include the entire project, all to include future capital releases into the market for capital and what projects those will do so.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:24 – 1:07:40)

Most of those are future projects that were on our website. With the prospectus, the word prospectus brings me back to, you know, word association, prospectus equals, in my mind, S-4. When is the S-4 for this merger going to be finalized and filed?

That is [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (1:07:41 – 1:07:57)

The S-4, the only S-4 registration, as I’ve told everybody, was to register the asset management and the future release for capital. That will be in the prospectus. Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:57 – 1:08:00)

I hear what you’re saying, that the information that an S-4…

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:00 – 1:08:03)

It’s a registration of asset-backed securities.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:03 – 1:08:14)

Okay. But what about the shareholders that may have owned shares as part of Wattle or, you know, the Conversion Solutions before…

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:14 – 1:08:19)

All of that was already provided and has already been done with the transfer agent and the documents provided to them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:19 – 1:08:26)

All right. So am I hearing you say that there will not be an S-4 filed or there’s no need for one?

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:27 – 1:08:36)

No. The S-4 will be the actual prospectus that will be filed in this proxy for a shareholder vote.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:36 – 1:08:37)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:37 – 1:08:50)

You understand? There won’t be an S-4 filed in the manner that you’re asking, but the S-4 that the company was going to file will be the same registration of securities and future projects that will be filed in the prospectus.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:50 – 1:09:05)

Right. So what I’m hearing, if I can paraphrase, what I’m hearing you say is that the information that an S-4 would contain will be part of this proxy. However, an actual S-4 form will not be filed.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:06 – 1:09:09)

That is correct. The registration will be done in this proxy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:10 – 1:09:13)

And the SEC is okay with that? They allow things like that?

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:14 – 1:09:19)

If it doesn’t violate any SEC rules and regulations, they have no issues with it, and neither will the federal court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:20 – 1:09:24)

Because I still don’t know where or why I’m hung up on this in my mind.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:24 – 1:09:25)

We have a shareholder’s vote, okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:26 – 1:09:26)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:26 – 1:09:31)

And you put together a proxy in a scenario as you’ve got a situation like we have now.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:31 – 1:09:32)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:32 – 1:10:14)

You have to provide current status of company. You have to provide a future where the company is going to move and how it’s going to deal with the situation it’s in. And you will vote.

You will vote on proposed directors that the company puts in. And say these directors, these projects, this cash, this money, and this operation is what we propose for you to vote on, and this is your proxy. In that same proxy statement will be a requirement for a future release of capital and registration of S-4s for you to vote on.

It will be part of your proxy for you to vote. Do you understand that, what I’m saying?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10:14 – 1:10:17)

No, I hear you. And it reminds me the way you just said it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:17 – 1:10:19)

Evidently you’re not, because we keep going round and round.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10:19 – 1:10:20)

Well, let me.

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:20 – 1:10:28)

[Inaudible] there’s not an S-4 filed in the manner you’re talking, no. It will actually be in the proxy for you to vote on.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10:29 – 1:10:48)

Understood. Understood. So I now have two things.

The reason that you think I’m not getting it is because somewhere, and I could be wrong, but somewhere I thought I read that an actual S-4 form as part of mergers was a required document. And until the actual S-4 form was filed.

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:48 – 1:11:00)

You heard that in the merger. You read that in the merger agreement that there would be an S-4 filed to register securities and asset-backed securities. That is what it states in the merger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:00 – 1:11:00)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:01 – 1:11:02)

That is where someone is coming across.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:03 – 1:11:19)

Yes, because I’ve actually seen and read that separate of Conversion Solutions. This is actually big board stocks, NASDAQ mergers and so forth, especially when a U.S. company merges with a European company, the S-4s take a long time because of the different style of accounting.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:19 – 1:11:25)

I think where you’re headed with this, okay, if the S-4 is not filed, you’re not going to have a completed merger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:25 – 1:11:26)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:26 – 1:11:38)

Ha, ha, ha. Nice try. There’s not even a Front Hall S in existence.

Go to the state of Delaware. It was dissolved at the time of the merger. The only surviving company is Conversion Solutions, Inc.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:38 – 1:11:38)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:38 – 1:11:45)

The name was changed to Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. as a post-merger requirement.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:45 – 1:11:46)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:46 – 1:12:09)

Okay. There is no company left. You can’t unwind, no merger.

Whoever wants to try to dance, that dance is an idiot. Go ahead and talk it, but you’re talking stupid, idiotic stuff. It’s done.

It’s over with. Shares have been issued by the transfer agent. Slam, bam, thank you, ma’am.

All right. So let’s move to something else.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:09 – 1:12:44)

All right. Let me take a quick break and actually read this. This is actually from Dimension.

Dimension is listening, and he says, Simon, let me do a plug for you. This is from Dimension to the listener. It says, to all the hypocrites over at Hot Stock Market who are supposed to be boycotting SubPenny Radio, put your credit card down and just be part of the show.

It says, I bet your subscription base skyrockets after today, Simon. I don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see.

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:44 – 1:12:51)

And it will be a regular thing from here on out, Simon. I’ve actually chosen you as a voice.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:52 – 1:13:20)

Well, I appreciate that. It’s good. And the reason I appreciate it isn’t because you draw a crowd.

I appreciate it more so because you know that I’m going to be not argumentative, but I’m going to try to be as objective as I can, and you still entertain my harassment, if you will, even though I’m not harassing you. So that’s why I appreciate it. Even though some people might think I’m giving you a hard time, I think you and I know where we stand, right?

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:21 – 1:13:25)

Yes, I understand. I’d do the same thing if I were in your shoes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:13:25 – 1:13:27)

Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:27 – 1:13:29)

I’d probably be more of an asshole, though.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:13:30 – 1:13:34)

I can be one now. I don’t think anybody wants to hear me say that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:35 – 1:13:41)

I know, but you’re kind of mellow. You’re reasonably mellow, and that’s why it works.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:13:41 – 1:13:42)

Okay, good deal.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:43 – 1:13:45)

You can’t have two assholes on it.

It doesn’t work.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:13:46 – 1:14:01)

Well, you’re the one that said it, not me. So Dimension is also saying, if Front Haul was dissolved, then why was every filing done, done with the name Furia?

[Mr. Harris] (1:14:02 – 1:14:35)

Okay, the reason is it goes all the way back to when the name had been changed and the symbol had been changed. The idiot in control of the security codes that log you into the Edgar system never went in and changed inside the SEC Edgar system the name. So when you pull it up, you pull up Furia.

That goes back to that idiot. Who that is, you find that individual, and he will be the one that’s riding [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:37 – 1:14:41)

Okay. So there’s a lot of breadcrumbs going in different directions.

[Mr. Harris] (1:14:42 – 1:14:47)

Did that not make sense? Did it answer your question? Or do you want me to try it another way?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:47 – 1:14:48)

Try it another way.

[Mr. Harris] (1:14:49 – 1:15:22)

Try it another way. Okay. The idiot that had the codes never changed the name inside the Edgar system from Furia to Front Haul to Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

That was the first thing I tried to do is get those codes. When they would not turn over the codes, I told everybody, this is not going to be a pretty picture. Front Haul is in a mess, and it’s a victim of naked short-selling or illegal shares to a massive volume for those codes not to be turned over.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:15:22 – 1:15:22)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:15:24 – 1:15:32)

We will work through this. We’re here. We’re real.

We will provide real stuff for the company to move forward. That’s what I’ve always said.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:15:33 – 1:15:45)

Okay. Now, in my mind, if I had to take a wild guess, not that this is like throwing darts in the dark, but if I had to guess who has codes that you’re talking about, that leads me to believe…

[Mr. Harris] (1:15:45 – 1:16:18)

It’s in relationship to the transfer agent. All I know is we had to send documents to the transfer agent [inaudible] for him to charge us a fee to proof them, edit them, and then he would actually be the individual that would see those codes in and file. It gives me on multiple occasions the bullshit story that his codes that he has are different than what is required and blah, blah, blah.

His is transfer agent codes. He was talking gibberish, thought he was talking to an idiot.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:19 – 1:16:20)

I think the codes are probably…

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:20 – 1:16:23)

He thought he was talking to a Mike Alexander, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:23 – 1:16:23)

Well, I was going to say…

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:23 – 1:16:25)

No, I didn’t say that. I didn’t say that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:26 – 1:16:44)

What I was going to say was that it makes sense that the way that you’ve described and laid things out for us, it makes sense that the codes are in the possession of one of two logical people, and that would be either the transfer agent, as you’ve suggested, and/or Mike Alexander.

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:45 – 1:17:34)

I couldn’t tell you who they’re in possession of. All I know is I sent the documents to the transfer agent and it went from there. That’s why when John was able to file an 8K, I told you that would be the end of Chapter 8.

That’s the end of it all. My answer and the whole scenario that everyone in all this investigation will center itself on will be who was in control of those codes. Because that individual was calling the shots for the scenario.

He wanted to know the information prior to it being filed so he wouldn’t turn over the codes. There’s a reason to want to know that information. That’s called insider trading.

The only reason to hold on to those codes was to be able to receive the filings prior to them hitting the SEC, stall them for hours to a day to sometime days to prepare your naked short-selling risk.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:38 – 1:17:38)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:38 – 1:17:38)

Okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:38 – 1:17:39)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:39 – 1:17:49)

And then when the news came out and the filings hit, at that particular time, slam-bam, they could sell the shares and it was an organized scenario.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:49 – 1:17:56)

Right. How long has the current transfer agent been part of Front Haul?

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:56 – 1:17:58)

I don’t have a clue and I ain’t saying he is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:59 – 1:17:59)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:59 – 1:18:00)

Is he the one with the codes?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:01 – 1:18:02)

I’m just asking.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:02 – 1:18:03)

I can’t testify that he is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:03 – 1:18:14)

Right. Unrelated, I’m just asking, do you know how long Mike has been using, prior to you coming into the picture, how long did Mike have this other guy as a transfer agent for Front Haul?

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:14 – 1:18:16)

I can’t answer that question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:16 – 1:18:16)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:16 – 1:18:57)

When John Artlett proposed, I said, the first thing we need to do is change transfer agents. He proposed a transfer agent and when he told me Signature Stocks in Plano, Texas, that’s when I knew right there John Artlett was part of the naked short-selling ring because I had to sit running with Signature Stocks where they had dummy transfer agents set up that was receiving cash transactions and it wind up going back to Signature Stocks and it was all into a joke here [inaudible] out in New York. That could get you any SEC letter you wanted in a matter of 30 to 40 minutes signed by an SEC attorney to the extent that it would shock me.

For me to be shocked is a big thing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:57 – 1:19:05)

Right. Now earlier I had asked you if you thought that Mike Alexander or John Arlett had naked shorted the company and you said no.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:06 – 1:19:12)

But now I’m hearing you say that [Rufus: I don’t even know if their shares were legitimately obtained.] Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:12 – 1:19:13)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:13 – 1:19:20)

I was not part of the company. I cannot answer that question for you. That’s for the authorities to come to the conclusion of.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:20 – 1:19:20)

Right. If the-

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:21 – 1:19:46)

The SEC right now is looking for who sold those 600 million shares. That’s the answer that the feds want. That’s what they’re going after.

Now the bond, the question on the bond is if you say they’re not real SEC, the SEC is going to turn around and say who perpetrated this fraud? And guess what? My answer is you know.

You get to the bottom of it and we’ll both know.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:47 – 1:19:47)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:49 – 1:21:00)

It cleared the Euroclear system. It was in the Euroclear system accessible by European banks. You tell me.

They could not even. They went and set up in the federal court and had not called one individual and called him a fraud and went through the validation process. Now Elvis contacted Euroclear.

I don’t know the outcome of that. I have not asked them. I was told immediately by them, yes, they’re fraud.

There’s 350 million on Euroclear. My question is how can the Central Bank of Venezuela perpetrate fraud on the Euroclear system? [Simon: Right.] Ask Euroclear that.

Don’t go and immediately get the answer that you want because I’m going to have the hard trouble believing it because Euroclear had to be involved. A Euroclear agent had to load those codes. It’s just like a DTC agent has to load the shares in the naked check selling ring or the illegal share selling ring for you to receive them electronically.

That is what my answer is to the SEC. Whoa, you’re hauling fraud? Right.

You call Euroclear.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:21:01 – 1:21:21)

Changing gears again. This is probably one of the questions a lot of people want to know. Since you’ve established that you are the CEO of the company, John Arlett is not, this is a question for the CEO.

When can shareholders expect their six for one stock?

[Mr. Harris] (1:21:22 – 1:21:32)

I told you when I did it and put it out, you’re going to get it. I can’t give you the exact answer, but it will be in the package for you to vote on.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:21:34 – 1:21:34)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:21:35 – 1:21:45)

The only thing moving forward that you’re going to see the next thing will be court activity and a proxy filed with the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:21:47 – 1:21:56)

So really people that want to follow the story of Conversion Solutions, what they need to do is stay attuned to PACER, which is the legal system.

[Mr. Harris] (1:21:56 – 1:22:12)

There you go. Watch PACER, watch the PACER system, and periodically during the day check your SEC filing system for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. A.K.A. Front Haul, A.K.A. Furia Corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:14 – 1:22:24)

And so in your opinion, do any of the SEC filings need to get restated? Because that’s something that John had been claiming.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:25 – 1:22:30)

No, there will be RWs filed on anything that’s held out of hand by the new board that’s voted in under the proxy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:32 – 1:22:32)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:32 – 1:22:34)

You know what an RW is?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:34 – 1:22:35)

Explain it to us.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:35 – 1:22:36)

A request for withdrawal.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:38 – 1:22:43)

So you don’t…

When you say request for withdrawal, withdrawing from?

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:46 – 1:22:53)

It will be an official request from the corporation to withdraw certain SEC filings.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:54 – 1:22:54)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:54 – 1:23:04)

It will not leave its record. They will always be on the SEC screen. You will just submit a request for withdrawal and if the company is allowed to proceed forward in its filing, it will be approved.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:06 – 1:23:17)

All right. So once those… Well, let me ask you this.

Since you have the plans of issuing out an RW, a withdrawal statement, which filings are you wanting to withdraw?

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:18 – 1:23:37)

I don’t have the plans, okay? I’m going to be honest with you. I can’t stay an officer or director of this corporation and be in court.

I’m going… My time will have to be directed to the court system and the agencies that will be working to close this chapter.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:38 – 1:23:39)

Okay. And as that…

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:39 – 1:23:53)

So the new company and new people is who will be handling all of that. It will be on their attorneys. I’m speaking out of my butt when I say this.

But that will be my advice to them and I think they will do it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:55 – 1:23:56)

You say new company?

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:56 – 1:23:56)

Is that better?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:57 – 1:24:05)

No, it is. It is. So when you say new company, are we looking at a reverse split?

Are we looking at…

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:05 – 1:24:07)

Negative. Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:07 – 1:24:08)

What’s going to make the new company?

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:08 – 1:24:20)

We’ll be looking at an increase in shares. But we’re getting into quote, unquote, potential insider information and I would prefer at this time to leave it, read your proxy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:21 – 1:24:21)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:22 – 1:24:30)

And concerning any questions on future or potential activity of the company and increase of cost or anything of that sort.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:30 – 1:24:30)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:31 – 1:24:35)

You as the shareholders that are on the NOBO list will be the ones able to vote. Okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:35 – 1:24:36)

Sure.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:36 – 1:24:38)

That will be my official response.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:38 – 1:24:45)

Okay. So moving away from that topic, there are some people, it appears that they are…

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:45 – 1:24:46)

By the way, Simon, were you on the NOBO list?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:47 – 1:24:49)

Was I on the NOBO list? No.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:50 – 1:24:52)

So you’re not a real shareholder of the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:53 – 1:24:55)

Am I what? Say again?

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:55 – 1:24:58)

So I don’t guess you’re a real shareholder of the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:25:00 – 1:25:01)

Well, that’s, you know…

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:01 – 1:25:05)

You’re not going to receive a proxy if you’re not on the list, Simon. So you’re not going to be able to vote.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:25:06 – 1:25:08)

And that’s fine with me because again…

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:08 – 1:25:11)

No, I’m just pointing that out to anyone that was not on the NOBO list.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:25:11 – 1:25:12)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:13 – 1:25:24)

When you don’t get your proxy and you see the stuff going on with the SEC and so on, I advise you to scream to the top of your lungs that your broker that sold you the shares and say, why did I not get my proxy?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:25:24 – 1:25:54)

Right. And again, that goes back to… Before we get into the other question I have from…

This is DBK. I’m going to ask your question next, DBK. It goes back to there’s a lot of people, a lot of people who actually asked for their certificates out of street name, in their own name.

They’re actually holding physical certificates of Conversion Solutions and their name was not on the last published NOBO list.

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:56 – 1:25:58)

Wow. Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:25:59 – 1:26:02)

No, I understand that. But here’s…

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:02 – 1:26:06)

And the story gets bigger and bigger and the name gets deeper and deeper.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:07 – 1:26:08)

It does, but this is the reason…

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:08 – 1:26:17)

Wow, that’s all I can say to you. How you hold a hard copy certificate in your hand that you got through your broker and you’re not on the NOBO list? Wow.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:17 – 1:26:25)

Right. So the reason I’m bringing that up in the conversation is you’re saying that those people who are not on the NOBO list are not real shareholders.

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:26 – 1:27:05)

You know, I’m going to… Let me answer it this way. I’m going to follow the rules and regulations of the SEC and NASDAQ and the attorneys and everybody involved handling this move forward is going to do so.

Okay? If under those procedures you receive a proxy, I would say, vote your proxy. If you do not, I watch the court system and see what happens.

I don’t know. Sign on to a very large class action to get your money. That will probably involve the SEC, the FBI, and every other agency.

You know, so…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:05 – 1:27:05)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:05 – 1:27:07)

Sign on to it so you can get a piece of the pie.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:08 – 1:27:08)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:08 – 1:27:14)

That’s all I can… My advice. Or get you a good SEC counsel and see what he recommends.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:15 – 1:27:29)

All right. So going back to DBK’s question, he says, many preferred stockholders ask for their stock to be converted back to common stock or their money…

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:29 – 1:27:47)

It depends on where you got your preferred. Are you speaking in a terminology of… What?

CVSU preferred? Are you speaking in a terminology of… How preferred?

You understand there’s more information to be able to answer that question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:48 – 1:27:54)

Okay. So depending on… Now, let’s say, for instance, it’s CVSU. CVSU preferred stock.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:54 – 1:27:55)

Mm-hmm.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:55 – 1:27:56)

If they were…

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:56 – 1:27:57)

Your name’s on the list.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:58 – 1:28:05)

Okay. But why did you not release the shares if they were requested to do so?

[Mr. Harris] (1:28:08 – 1:28:09)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:28:10 – 1:28:12)

Let’s say someone owns…

[Mr. Harris] (1:28:12 – 1:28:20)

I held all preferred. You hold preferred in the corporation. Your preferred was held just like Front Haul’s preferred was held.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:28:21 – 1:28:21)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:28:21 – 1:28:47)

To prevent conversion of toxic funding of the people that shorted the stock. Okay? Now, you were a victim of that situation, but if I recall, wasn’t it August that it was released and it was even released in an 8K filing and it was even put out in a press release?

Was it not?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:28:48 – 1:28:49)

You’re talking about…

[Mr. Harris] (1:28:49 – 1:29:01)

The release of the preferred. To anyone that held preferred stock there was a full authority given to the transfer agent in writing to release all preferred stock and preferred stock certificates.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:02 – 1:29:20)

The press release that comes to my mind, and I’ll have to go back and see for myself, but the one that rings a bell is not with regards to the preferred stock, but it was actually to the restricted stock. Now, there were some people that actually had restricted shares. You had locked all the restrictions down.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:21 – 1:29:25)

Restrictions are what is applied to preferred stock.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:25 – 1:29:32)

Okay, so you’re saying that there was no restricted common stock. It was the only restricted stock ever issued.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:32 – 1:29:34)

There was no restricted common stock.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:34 – 1:29:41)

Okay, so the only restricted CVSU stock was preferred.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:42 – 1:29:53)

It was people that were involved in an investment that were done under 144A rules that fall under a restricted that convert.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:55 – 1:29:55)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:56 – 1:29:57)

Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:57 – 1:30:09)

No, I hear you now, yes. Because some of those shares, restricted shares can be issued as common stock. You’re saying that you didn’t issue those.

The only restricted shares you’ve ever issued was preferred. Correct?

[Mr. Harris] (1:30:09 – 1:30:10)

That is true.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:30:10 – 1:30:14)

Okay, all right. So that does clear up. That at least gives me some insight.

[Mr. Harris] (1:30:15 – 1:30:36)

Now, I’m talking about post. I cannot answer that question. I mean, pre-merger, I don’t have a clue what was done.

I was provided a documentation from the ADP to give me a name of all shareholders that was registered with the ADPC system and had trading shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:30:37 – 1:30:38)

Okay, yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (1:30:39 – 1:30:45)

The books of the company, I was provided that information, and it was all put in the merger on who shared what shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:30:46 – 1:31:01)

Right, right. Now, the same individual, DBK, is actually stating that they recall, don’t know what venue, but they recall you stating that you would not release the preferred stock. But I recall…

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:01 – 1:31:09)

You can’t hold preferred. Do you understand? It has a term. Are you with me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:09 – 1:31:10)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:10 – 1:31:28)

It has a term that it expires or it converts. So when I held all restricted, that stock fell in that restricted category because it had a term which applied a restriction to it, whether it was preferred or common restricted.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:29 – 1:31:29)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:31 – 1:31:31)

You got me?

[Speaker 4] (1:31:31 – 1:31:32)

Yes, yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:32 – 1:31:37)

You’re looking at it as, oh, you held one without the other. No, you’re missing the whole picture.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:37 – 1:31:38)

No, I hear what you’re saying.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:38 – 1:31:46)

Restriction apply is the same thing as a term in a preferred stock. You have a preferred stock that says it doesn’t convert for two years, guess what? That’s your restriction.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:47 – 1:31:59)

Yes, exactly. But it seems like this individual has actually contacted you, spoken with you maybe, and had said, hey, I want to be able to convert my preferred into common or I want my money back.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:59 – 1:32:02)

I don’t know who this is. Is this a Wattle? Is this a CVSU?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:02 – 1:32:04)

They’re saying CVSU. CVSU?

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:04 – 1:32:05)

CVSU?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:05 – 1:32:06)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:08 – 1:32:10)

So you’re saying you held a preferred CVSU note?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:10 – 1:32:11)

That’s what they claim.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:12 – 1:32:15)

I’d like to see it. Call me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:15 – 1:32:16)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:17 – 1:32:27)

I will adjust some things and there will be numbers made available for you to call me. I’d like to talk to you and see who you are.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:28 – 1:32:31)

Okay. So, yeah, they said that they had it for six months or something like that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:31 – 1:32:33)

Hey, you know, whatever.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:33 – 1:32:37)

Right, right. So you’re going to be putting out [Rufus: Call me.] contact information.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:37 – 1:33:04)

And have your documentation that you bought it with. If you bought a preferred stock, you have to have an agreement. You have to have a subscription agreement, and if it is a preferred document, I’m sure that it will come, will require for you to have an attorney counsel letter or for you to get advice from an attorney.

So my advice to you is contact me, let’s go over, see who you are, let me get your name, and then I’ll take this on a one-to-one basis.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:04 – 1:33:09)

Okay. Now, when will you make contact information available so people in this situation can actually…

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:10 – 1:33:11)

Within the next week.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:12 – 1:33:15)

Okay. So within the next week you’re going to put out contact information. All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:15 – 1:33:16)

Yes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:16 – 1:33:29)

They’re going to try to call you tomorrow on old numbers. So I’m letting them know through the broadcast that if you try to call Rufus on old numbers, it may or may not work. If it doesn’t work…

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:29 – 1:33:32)

They’re not going to get me if you call me on an old number.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:32 – 1:33:34)

Okay. So in that case…

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:34 – 1:33:37)

I’m not going to answer it. I’m only going to answer certain business calls.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:37 – 1:33:39)

Okay. So in that case…

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:39 – 1:33:54)

I’ll have a designated number for you to call, and it will probably be a message service. They’ll take your name and number, and they will step through it, get your information, have you fax it through. Same thing I went through with Sabra Dabbs and Mitch Sepaniak.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:54 – 1:34:16)

Okay. All right. And let’s see.

Dragon is saying, You know I’m in Hawaii, so just wanted you to know it’s 5.30 p.m. here. I take it that it’s about 10.30 your time. Yep.

You’re right, Dragon. Absolutely. Who else do we have?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:16 – 1:34:17)

Hang in there, Doc.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:17 – 1:34:18)

Say what?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:19 – 1:34:20)

I said hang in there, Doc.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:20 – 1:34:42)

Okay. It says, When will we be… Well, we already answered that question.

When will we be receiving the 641? Let’s see. Ross is saying, I made $50,000 flipping CSHD.

Did Rufus or any of his friends and family short this stock overseas?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:43 – 1:34:49)

Negative. Rufus and none of his friends and family even received the stock.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:50 – 1:34:59)

Okay. So good deal, Ross. Made $50,000 flipping CSHD.

You a boy out of my own heart. Go. Awesome.

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:00 – 1:35:07)

Hey, at one time, Jesus Power showed me the new vehicle that he bought himself, which was about a $60,000 vehicle, paid in full.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:08 – 1:35:09)

Really?

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:09 – 1:35:15)

I had the Texas meeting and said, Look, this is what I’ve made already. Good going. And now I hear he’s out there cussing me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:16 – 1:35:17)

So he…

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:17 – 1:35:27)

You need to pray. You need to pray, Jesus Power. I kind of thought you were…

I liked you until you kept introducing your daddy as God. I really didn’t like that too much.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:27 – 1:35:28)

He was introducing what?

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:29 – 1:35:39)

His father, and he was introducing him as God. To everybody, and that just gave me a chill. Every time you said it, it gave me a chill.

So I was kind of worried about you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:40 – 1:35:45)

So when you say father, his God, he was actually pointing to an individual.

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:45 – 1:35:49)

He would say, This is my father. Call him God.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:51 – 1:35:51)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:52 – 1:36:00)

Okay, I’m Jesus Power. You get the puns, what he would say. I’m Jesus Power.

This is God. Yeah, I got you, dude. Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:00 – 1:36:02)

Well, I don’t know. I mean, because…

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:03 – 1:36:12)

Well, it’s a chill down my back. It’s not yours. Maybe you’re hardened to that.

Pretty tricky stuff to me. I was waiting for his head to spin around.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:12 – 1:36:25)

To me, you had to be… It’s one of those things. You had to be there because there’s a lot of Catholics Roman Catholics that will say, Our Father, who art in Heaven.

And they’re talking to God. So there’s nothing wrong with that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:25 – 1:36:31)

No, there’s no distinction. And I’m not an idiot, so I didn’t misunderstand. But ten times, I heard him introduce his father as God.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:31 – 1:36:31)

Really?

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:31 – 1:36:38)

I’m sure there’s another hundred people that can all testify at the Texas meeting that he did it there and he did it at the farm.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:38 – 1:37:30)

Wow. Okay. All right.

I mean, again, I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. Maybe that’s why I’m not getting the chill. But let’s see.

Catching up on some of these other questions. We’ve got… Bear with me.

I need to make sure that this isn’t a question that we’ve already asked. It says, One thing I keep wondering about is what the heck happened to the money Rufus received from private placement investors, the same ones that are waiting for the S-4 to be filed to get their shares. So let me ask you a question, because we’ve already talked about the S-4.

But outside of that question, are there any shareholders that will not get shares because a form S-4 is not filed?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:31 – 1:37:32)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:37:32 – 1:37:34)

Okay. So anyone that’s entitled to shares…

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:35 – 1:37:58)

Any note or anything of that type that has been issued, they can call it what they want. But any convertible note that has been issued out of CVSU will be converted and those names have been provided in the 111 number that was filed in the S-8 and S-88.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:37:59 – 1:38:08)

Okay. Now here’s a kind of off-the-wall question. As part of your parole…

I’ve never been on parole, so I don’t know.

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:09 – 1:38:13)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it gets going bad, you’ve got to throw some… Go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:13 – 1:38:27)

No, no, no. This is a question. It’s saying, you know, as part of your parole, do you have to take anger management classes?

I don’t know. Is that… Are they just being silly, or is that something?

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:27 – 1:38:37)

And this, the most unkindliest cut of all, Simon. No. There’s nothing like that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:37 – 1:38:37)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:37 – 1:38:38)

That’s a cheap question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:39 – 1:38:40)

No. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:40 – 1:38:42)

No anger management or anything of that sort.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:42 – 1:38:45)

Okay, yeah. I don’t know. You know, maybe if…

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:45 – 1:39:04)

I wasn’t… Like I said, it will… That will work its own avenue, and it will be just like some crazy…

This other crazy stuff that’s going on. I was just an innocent bystander with my wife, and I got caught up in the middle of something, and that’s it. It’s no big deal.

It happens. I’m not upset about it. I’m not going to say somebody ain’t going to pay you out the ass for it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:39:04 – 1:39:05)

Right. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:05 – 1:39:09)

But I’m just… You know, I’ll deal with that, and no, I’m not taking anger management.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:39:09 – 1:39:10)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:10 – 1:39:14)

I don’t have an anger problem. I might have a smart ass problem, but not an anger problem.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:39:15 – 1:39:41)

Okay. So here… The PalTalk room has asked a question.

I don’t know who in the PalTalk room, but it’s just… PalTalk wants to know, why did you get upset about Jesus’ power and the quote God end quote thing when you, Rufus Paul Harris, you used God to gain the trust of so many Christians or believers?

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:42 – 1:40:00)

Do I use God? Boy, that’s a hard judgment. That’s a wicked judgment for somebody to pass.

Are you judging me? I haven’t used God. Am I a Christian?

Yeah. Do I sign everything God Speed? Yes.

Do I believe I’m going to heaven? You better believe it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:01 – 1:40:05)

Okay. Okay. It’s funny because the response to the…

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:06 – 1:40:13)

Use God. Okay. Y’all are just…

Simon, come up with some better stuff out there, okay? I’m getting bored.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:13 – 1:40:15)

All right. All right. Hold on.

Hold on.

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:15 – 1:40:16)

I have a bad taste in my mouth.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:20 – 1:40:42)

It’s interesting they’re saying… Anyway. Let’s see.

Another question is, Ben Stanley is the one… Ah. So they’re clearing things up about the request for $200,000, the loan.

That didn’t come from you, but it came from Ben Stanley. Do you know of any situations where Ben…

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:43 – 1:40:43)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:43 – 1:40:43)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:43 – 1:41:18)

That is a negative. The only thing, like I said, was a situation where I was on the phone with the shareholders committee, and they had made contact with John Arlett to Ben in a situation where he was sitting down with Dwayne Woods. The name was mentioned.

Somehow Dwayne wound up on the phone with the individual, and he told the man plain and simple, if you want to do something, put up $200,000 for this law firm, and I’m sitting here talking about him hiring. Put your money where your mouth is and shut up, is what he told him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:18 – 1:41:19)

Ah, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:41:19 – 1:41:23)

It was a way for Dwayne Woods to tell John Arlett, put up or shut up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:23 – 1:41:24)

Gotcha. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:41:25 – 1:41:29)

Okay. Now, they can interpret that into a loan. Nobody asked you for no money.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:29 – 1:41:30)

Okay, yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (1:41:30 – 1:42:14)

Okay, and if you try to, you can spend it any way you want, but you were not asked for money. You were told to put up or shut up. You wanted to jump up there and try to take this, do this, and we said, here, fine.

You want to hire the firm and deal with it? Go. So, what happened, by the way?

Why did, you said you hired the firm, but you didn’t. What, what was the scenario? Well, we, well, we, well, we did.

So, you’re trying to accuse us of being involved with the institution, a law firm that you put out a press release stating you had hired as an SEC attorney and that we want $200,000 to pay the fee. Ah, this is some crazy crap, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:14 – 1:42:14)

Right, right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:15 – 1:42:18)

And it’s reality. This is really happening. Now, all of you are actually hearing this.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:19 – 1:42:19)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:20 – 1:42:20)

It’s not a dream.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:20 – 1:42:21)

Yeah, this is.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:21 – 1:42:24)

Teach yourself. Do what you want to do, but this is reality.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:24 – 1:42:27)

Yeah, you can’t find this on MTV.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:27 – 1:42:34)

No, no. Me and Simon will be appearing live in theaters across the country.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:34 – 1:42:53)

Oh, that’s crazy. That’s crazy stuff. Here’s a question about the bonds.

It says, ask Mr. Harris, if the bonds were real, then why weren’t they registered with the Department of Treasury? And they go on to say, Office of Foreign Affairs.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:53 – 1:42:56)

Wait, wait, wait, wait. U.S. or Venezuela?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:57 – 1:42:59)

Not sure, but let me read the rest of it. It says, Office.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:59 – 1:43:23)

Hmm, I think somebody went back and found that QSAP number through the Department of Ministry, listed that that exact QSAP number and bond had been increased by $500 million U.S. dollars on a particular time and date. And that is a Venezuelan government document. Can’t deny it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:43:23 – 1:43:23)

It’s there.

[Mr. Harris] (1:43:24 – 1:44:31)

So spin it any way you want. Dance around it any way you want. My comment to anybody on the bonds is it’s going to be the same it has been from day one.

If they’re fraud, you’re telling me the fraud has been perpetrated by the Venezuelan government and the Central Bank of Venezuela to risk losing their Euroclear accounts. I have trouble seeing it, ladies and gentlemen, because that would devastate their economics on the trading industry in the world. So I don’t think they’re going to perpetrate fraud.

[Simon: Okay.] You might not like the guy. You might not like him. He won the election in a landslide.

Make your own decisions. But they did it. It’s there.

So if you want to holler fraud, then okay. Say the Venezuelan government perpetrated fraud on a public U.S. company. What with us?

Let’s go get their butts. Let’s take money that owed to them or whatever from the U.S. trade system. Let’s do it.

Put up or shut up. Like I’ve always said, I said it to the SEC from day one. You got a problem with it?

Come on. Ask your question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:44:32 – 1:44:43)

The other piece of that question is that they were not registered with the Department of Treasury, Office of Foreign Asset Control, and it says all imported capital to be used for investment.

[Mr. Harris] (1:44:43 – 1:44:59)

It wasn’t imported capital, gentlemen. It was in the Euroclear system. It was not imported capital.

It was on the books of a public corporation. It was not imported into the U.S. system. It was in the Euroclear system, loaded by the Central Bank of Venezuela.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:44:59 – 1:45:16)

Okay, so because it was not imported, that would explain why the bonds- [Rufus: Why they all don’t work.] Okay. All right. So, you know, hopefully, you know- [Rufus: It was never claimed to be imported or held in a U.S. institution.] Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:17 – 1:45:35)

[Simon: Now, again-] It stated in the filings exactly where it was loaded and what were the codes and where it was loaded, what system, Euroclear system, under what codes. And then if you went to the Bartow County system and pulled it up, you would have found out the actual registration codes and could have looked at it yourself if you had the authority.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:36 – 1:45:36)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:36 – 1:45:38)

And that was public information.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:38 – 1:45:38)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:38 – 1:45:41)

And advertised and put in partial lease [???] and put in a case.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:41 – 1:45:42)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:42 – 1:45:44)

[Simon: So now-] Another slam dunk, thank you, ma’am.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:44 – 1:46:03)

Okay. Now, talking about, you know, public information, out at the Georgia website, right? It looks like we’ve got someone that actually has been out to the Georgia website and seen the information.

They say that the real question is, Eddie Torres last worked at the bank in 1998. How did he sign the bond document?

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:03 – 1:46:07)

We went through this crap again. Remember we danced at it one time?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:08 – 1:46:08)

It’s been a little while.

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:09 – 1:46:18)

You know, you can find something on the blog or whatever, but show it to me on the document from the central bank. And then send it to the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:18 – 1:46:26)

Okay. So you believe that any information that he was released or doesn’t work with the bank left the bank in 1998?

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:27 – 1:46:38)

I’m not going to comment on it. I don’t have an opinion on it one way or the other. I haven’t seen it.

I don’t know where it is. I haven’t looked at it. I require a little bit more to deal with this situation to talk even stupidly about it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:39 – 1:46:39)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:39 – 1:47:03)

Okay? You know, tell me where it came from. Where did you get that information?

On a blog system called Due Dillinger? From something posted in 99? Where did you get your information?

Did you get it from the central bank of Venezuela? Can you provide that to me in writing? I’m sure the SEC would like to have a copy of that.

If you, you know, do, we’re back to talking, you know, out our butts.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:47:03 – 1:47:22)

Right. This is, maybe you’ll find it humorous, maybe not. Several people are sending me messages from Hot Stock Market that I haven’t gone out to, but it says, this post on a Hot Stock Market is of Mike Alexander saying Rufus’ friends and family were selling the stock last night.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:25 – 1:47:27)

You know, I’ve heard similar things.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:47:27 – 1:47:28)

To me, number one.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:28 – 1:47:34)

That’s good, you know. Prove it, dude. You’ve got your friends with the transfer agent, and you all can file a case filing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:47:35 – 1:47:36)

Show it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:36 – 1:48:07)

Show it to me where you sent DTC stock to a friend or family of mine, and that it was sold in the system electronically. Show me where a certificate was put into the system, and you processed it through the DTC system, through a DTC agent, and the stock was sold. Don’t talk out your ass.

Show it to me. Provide it. Put it on a website.

Put it on the shareholder committee website. Quit talking out your butt.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:48:07 – 1:48:08)

So you think Mike is just making stuff up?

[Mr. Harris] (1:48:09 – 1:48:42)

Well, ask him to prove it. Any time I put something, I’ve provided it for the public to see it. I back what I say.

Now, I may get some pearls thrown at me, but I’m dealing with them. And rather successfully, I would say. Because at this point, when they sit in front of the federal judge and said, this is a huge, naked, short-selling ring, and this man right here is part of it, and we want to see him and all his assets.

And I just asked the judge, you know, this is going to kill the shareholders. Ask him for proof. Where’s your proof?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:48:43 – 1:48:46)

Yeah, it’s interesting how people are willing.

[Mr. Harris] (1:48:46 – 1:49:09)

I’m still here.

I’m not in jail. I’m not indicted. Why? I think the only thing they may be looking at at this point is saying, the best thing for us to do is just say this guy is insane and go throw him in a white suit and put him in an institution.

That’s the only way we’re ever going to end this. Because he ain’t going away, and he’s got all the documents to back his case. And he provided them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:09 – 1:49:16)

Yeah. We’ve got several listeners actually saying that they’ve actually called the Venezuelan bank and the bank itself.

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:16 – 1:49:25)

Oh, I’m sure you called the Central Bank of Venezuela and got to talk to an executive manager that’s going to tell you people worked for them or were fired or did fraud or something of that type.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:25 – 1:49:29)

That’s what they’re saying. Yeah, okay. That’s what they’re saying.

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:29 – 1:49:33)

Move your cheeks when you talk like that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:33 – 1:49:44)

And they want to know if Ismael Pais, is that individual a real person or is it a made-up individual? And what was his role in this?

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:44 – 1:49:46)

You tell me. I met the guy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:46 – 1:49:47)

You did?

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:47 – 1:50:00)

He sat in front of me. He was there. I saw him.

I required his passport to be turned over before I even met with the guy. I required a copy of his visa. All that document was provided in court documents.

[Simon: Okay.] You can look at that on paper.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:00 – 1:50:05)

All right. So according to what I just heard you say.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:05 – 1:50:12)

The guy was sitting there with a U.S. visa and a Venezuelan passport in his hand and talking to me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:12 – 1:50:13)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:13 – 1:50:17)

Is he real? He was when I sat down and did the deal with him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:18 – 1:50:19)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:20 – 1:50:21)

That’s what I’ll tell you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:21 – 1:50:29)

All right. So what was his role in the facilitating of the Caracas Group and the bond signings? Do you know?

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:30 – 1:50:30)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:31 – 1:50:33)

Do you know what his role was in facilitating?

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:33 – 1:50:39)

He was the signatory that executed the transaction. That’s why his name is the sign on the Global Funding Agreement.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:39 – 1:50:40)

With the Caracas Group.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:40 – 1:50:45)

He was the individual that signed it and delivered the transaction via Euroclear.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50:47 – 1:51:24)

Okay. Let’s see. Army guy is saying, thanks for asking my question.

I’m in Afghanistan listening in. Wow. Okay.

And it says, we will be back in the middle of February. And I will be back. Okay.

So he will be back here in the States in the middle of February. And since Rufus is putting on new board directors, I’ll be available. So Army guy wants to be part of your new board elect.

And we’ll see.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:26 – 1:51:33)

Be safe over there. Be safe. Keep your head down and be safe.

I’m there with you every day.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:51:33 – 1:51:44)

Okay. He says, if we have fake bonds, not that we do, but if we have fake bonds, what are you going to do, what is this going to do for the company? How are you going to get new assets?

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:46 – 1:53:24)

Listen, what I’ve done, what we’ve done and put together and worked with people on at this point, to include attorneys in multiple meetings with people, is to stop everything at this point that the SEC has said so. Just stop it where it is. Keep the company structure, the platform, the contacts with the bank, what the company was prior to taking the Dabbs and her Washington people bringing in the bonds.

You understand? Stop it at that point. Do not continue forward with that until that gets out of the system.

That is what is going to stay in the court system with me, against me. And we have to go through and work out where the fraud was perpetrated, if they say there’s fraud. They’ll have to do that in the federal court.

What I’m proposing is a new setup with a new company already in operation worth about $52 million in assets. It will be a whole organization, and it will already have its structure in place. Its owners, its directors, the whole scenario.

And it will be voted on in the form of a proxy for you to accept it as shareholders. Take it or leave it. [Simon: Okay.] And that’s what I’m going to give to the court and ask the court.

We would like for you to open the default. Here’s the reason we want you to open the default. What we would like for you to allow for us to proceed forward.

The SEC has no official response at this point other than you’re under an order in that court not to violate SEC legal regulations. Don’t do it. As long as everything is legal, we have no issues with you.

[Simon: Okay] You understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:25 – 1:53:33)

Yep. And we’ll see. So just because you put together this proxy, that doesn’t mean that the court is going to allow it still.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:34 – 1:53:35)

The court is going to allow it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:35 – 1:53:37)

They could or could not.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:37 – 1:53:45)

If it’s done legally through the system, the court’s going to be asked to accept it as a way for the company to come out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:45 – 1:53:45)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:45 – 1:53:50)

The proxy’s going out through the SEC to be voted on by the shareholders. You understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:50 – 1:53:51)

Yes, because the court can’t…

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:51 – 1:54:11)

If the court hasn’t come back and answered, and we have the proxy completed and have the shareholders meeting and complete the whole entire transaction, that will also be filed in that court. Here we are. We’re moving forward and this is what we’ve done.

Under the authority by the SEC. Inside the rules and regulations. The only thing the court has said to us is don’t violate any SEC rules and regulations.

Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:12 – 1:54:12)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:13 – 1:54:17)

We haven’t filed. They’ve made an accusation. We haven’t answered to that accusation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:17 – 1:54:19)

Okay. Now the…

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:19 – 1:54:21)

The reason being is there’s more than one issue here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:22 – 1:54:22)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:22 – 1:55:09)

You’re not just looking at bonds. You’re looking at bonds in a pump and dump. Okay, yes.

There was a dump. Who did it? You tell me, federal court and SEC.

I want to know. And then we’ll both know. Right.

I can point the people out and the scenarios and show you who regulate this stuff where to look. You should know where to look. You’re the enforcement division.

You should be able to find it. You should subpoena all of these records and know exactly who did it. But I’m sure that right now the FBI and everybody is looking at the whole scenario.

People can spin it any blessed way they want. You understand? I have not been approached by the FBI.

That’s the first person they come to. If they’ve got a problem with me, don’t you think?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:10 – 1:55:11)

I would hope so.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:11 – 1:55:12)

The way it goes with the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:13 – 1:55:13)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:14 – 1:55:15)

I’ve spoke with the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:15 – 1:55:23)

Yep. So here’s a question about SECO management. Do you know what SECO management is?

Yes, I do. SECO management.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:24 – 1:55:24)

Go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:24 – 1:55:25)

SECO management.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:25 – 1:55:26)

Florida.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:26 – 1:55:41)

It was dissolved in the state of Florida. The 500 million shares was for this joint venture through Stargate Productions.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:41 – 1:55:42)

That is true.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:43 – 1:55:43)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:44 – 1:55:47)

Somebody knows some old CVSU stuff, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:47 – 1:55:50)

So they want to know why was SECO management dissolved.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:51 – 1:57:51)

SECO management and that agreement with SECO management and the scenario. That was a banking relationship that they brought to us. SECO management had a big relationship in Hungary.

In Hungary, Citibank was wanting a piece of this transaction, the Venezuelan bonds. And that agreement was they received project funding for the closure of the Venezuelan bonds through Citibank in Hungary. Now, the reason that company never proceeded forward, we haven’t taken it off because I’m going to have to throw that in the hands of some legal people.

It’ll let them deal with it. Yes, it’s a nonperformance on that behalf. The same thing with AISS.

Didn’t go out there and get drastic until Dr. Menza crashed. It was a deal. It didn’t work.

The bonds were not given to Citibank in Hungary solely because we had a better offer and a better rate of funding. They only offered, if I’m not mistaken, 50% to possibly 62% against us. It was offered at the other institution at 90% to 95% based upon the terms of the delivery of the bonds.

If they could be delivered on Euroclear through a transactional ticket, they would be taken down on screen, the buy ticket would be posted, and the transaction would close on screen and then followed up with a SWIFT transaction out of the Central Bank of Venezuela, which the whole process went through. There was a test run done with the same institution, and it was successful on a smaller amount. Then the follow-up amounts were designed and set up, and the credit facilities were set up for that transaction.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:57:53 – 1:58:01)

I heard a lot of stuff, but what was the bottom line reason for the management company to be dissolved?

[Mr. Harris] (1:58:04 – 1:58:37)

We didn’t do the deal with them. Whatever he did with the company, that’s his business, you understand? We just didn’t hit him with a defaulted contract.

We just set it on the side burner and let legal deal with it. We never turned it over to legal. Our process was, it didn’t hurt the shareholders, it didn’t hurt the company in any shape, form, or fashion.

It was just a transaction that didn’t complete. The company sat there. It went and dissolved it.

It was allowed to go and dissolve it by its incorporator, and we’re not concerned with it. It wasn’t a merger like Front Haul and CVSU.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:58:37 – 1:58:39)

All right, so it was dissolved because the deal didn’t go through.

[Mr. Harris] (1:58:41 – 1:59:05)

I don’t know why they dissolved it. Whether they didn’t pay their taxes, whether they didn’t file the new deal in the state of Florida, I don’t know. It was put on the back burner, and we have no concern with it whatsoever. None. It’s not of any legal issue to the company other than us saying, okay, you defaulted on the contract. Our joint venture is no longer, null and void and putting it in a filing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:59:07 – 1:59:07)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:59:08 – 1:59:42)

But we may use them at a different time in a different scenario, you understand? We may do a joint venture against these of some type or other securities that are put in the company. Or cash used in credit facilities to do asset-backed bonds. [Simon: Okay. Now let me-]

They keep the relationship open for a future potential success under that agreement with the Citibank and Hungry.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:59:43 – 1:59:57)

Right. Now let me ask you a question about John Alexander. Not John Alexander.

John Alexander. John Arlett. John Alexander.

I don’t know where that came from. But anyway, John Arlett.

[Mr. Harris] (1:59:57 – 1:59:59)

Uh-huh, that was a 40-inch whip.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:59:59 – 2:00:02)

Well, you know, they’re born in the same, right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:05 – 2:00:06)

You said that, not me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:00:06 – 2:00:07)

Who knows?

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:07 – 2:00:08)

I got to say that back to you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:00:08 – 2:00:16)

Yeah, exactly. So a question about John Arlett. They want to know, do you think that he’s part of the Canadian Sopranos?

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:19 – 2:00:22)

I don’t really care what or who John’s part of.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:00:22 – 2:00:23)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:23 – 2:00:27)

None of my concern. That’s for the authorities to figure out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:00:28 – 2:00:29)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:29 – 2:01:10)

I have no concern with John Arlett. I have no thought on John Arlett. I just know he’s in Canada.

He’s a German citizen. And the first time I dealt with the individual was after I spoke with him on the show with you. He come back, he sent me a resume, wanted to apply for a job, and part of it in our discussion was he needed us to make an official request from a corporation for him to come over as a physician so he could get a visa.

He was being denied a visa from Canada into the U.S. That was my last dealings with John at that point. I decided I don’t really like the scenario and didn’t see many reasons to talk to the individual.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:01:12 – 2:01:15)

And now he’s trying to take over your company, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:15 – 2:01:24)

Now he got with James G. and putting out press releases in that case. Very interesting stuff.

That’s why I tell everybody, document this crap.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:01:25 – 2:01:25)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:25 – 2:01:30)

It was pretty cool. Watch it. This is reality.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:01:30 – 2:01:46)

Sure. Going back to some other things, myth or fiction, it’s rumored that most of the Wattle shareholders are friends or relatives of you or Ben Stanley and that they sold-

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:47 – 2:01:48)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:01:48 – 2:01:53)

Okay, they sold during the run-up to $4. So you’re saying that that’s not the case? That didn’t happen?

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:53 – 2:02:14)

I’m telling you negative. They are not friends of our family. They may be previous business associates that attended a credit investors meeting and decided to invest into the company.

And they took a convertible note that exceeded two years for most of their issues. Before, we even did a merger with Front Haul.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:02:15 – 2:02:15)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:02:15 – 2:02:45)

They were just old business acquaintances that had invested. No family or friends. We didn’t offer.

We only offered to accredited investors. Now, some of my shares and Ben’s shares that were ours were given as gifts to friends and family when they were assigned to us. Were those shares sold?

I’m telling you, I know none of my friends and family sold them, and I’m not aware of any of Ben’s.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:02:46 – 2:02:46)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:02:46 – 2:03:13)

Now, if they received it and it cleared through the DTC agent, it was their right to sell them. Or if any of them did, you’re barking up the wrong tree, whoever you are. It doesn’t matter if they did sell them because they received them under the merger through the DTC to them from the transfer agent through the Depository Trust Corporation, and their name was put on the NOBO list.

So they are a valid shareholder.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:14 – 2:03:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:03:14 – 2:03:38)

So if they sold some shares, what does it matter? Would it be in any amount? Nah, by no means.

There wasn’t that many of them out. I would say there was only altogether, I think it’s 7.2 million shares that were even issued out from under the Wattle merger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:40 – 2:03:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:03:41 – 2:03:42)

Not a massive number.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:43 – 2:03:44)

You’re saying?

[Mr. Harris] (2:03:44 – 2:03:49)

And do I know the majority of those people are holding their shares? The ones that have had that conversation with myself.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:51 – 2:03:51)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:03:51 – 2:03:52)

Every one of them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:52 – 2:03:58)

Well, you know, not that this actually happened, but you take 72 million shares and if they were…

[Mr. Harris] (2:03:58 – 2:04:02)

My phone’s beeped three times. Oh. If it dies, I will call you back.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:02 – 2:04:07)

Okay, good deal. So 72 million times, let’s say $3, because the stock did run up well.

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:07 – 2:04:11)

No, not 72 million, my friend.

7.2. [Simon: Oh, okay.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:11 – 2:04:13)

I was going to say because that’s 268 million. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:15 – 2:04:17)

7,200,000.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:17 – 2:04:25)

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. All right, because I was going to say, that’s not bad. I’d be happy with $216 million.

You know, there’s no…

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:25 – 2:04:26)

You understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:26 – 2:04:28)

Yeah, I got you now on the right number.

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:28 – 2:04:52)

That’s all there is that were issued under the Wattle merger that actually left the transfer agent. There were restricted shares issued, but they were done in the forms of restricted certificates. Am I aware of any person holding an insider certificate, a director officer that got their share to an institution and even lodged it?

No. Matter of fact, everyone I talked to said, by no means.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:53 – 2:04:53)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:54 – 2:04:56)

Here it is. Do you want it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:58 – 2:05:05)

Sure. But even if only 7,200,000 shares sold at $3, that’s still 21…

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:05 – 2:05:09)

No, I can tell you the majority of those shares I have spoken with and they were not sold.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:09 – 2:05:09)

Right, right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:09 – 2:05:11)

I haven’t called every individual.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:11 – 2:05:24)

Okay. But I’m just saying, that’s still pretty good money. You know, 21 million, 600,000, that’s good.

I’d like that. You know, that’s not bad. That’s a good figure.

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:25 – 2:05:26)

If that was the case.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:26 – 2:05:27)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:27 – 2:05:27)

If that was the case, no.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:27 – 2:05:28)

Right. Keyword, IF.

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:29 – 2:05:33)

I would say 90 to 92%, to narrow that number down a little bit.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:33 – 2:05:33)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:35 – 2:05:35)

Not sold.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:36 – 2:05:44)

Has there ever been a situation, you know, where, you know, a sleight of hand where maybe Ben sold shares?

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:44 – 2:05:47)

No, Ben didn’t sell any shares. Ben still got a certificate.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:47 – 2:05:55)

Well, let me finish. But, you know, you selling shares on behalf of Ben or Ben selling them on behalf of you, did anything like that ever occur?

[Mr. Harris] (2:05:56 – 2:05:59)

That was not an issue. Do you understand?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:59 – 2:06:00)

All right.

I’m just asking the question.

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:00 – 2:06:07)

It has to be issued. You’ve got to have an account.

I don’t even have. For the purpose, I dropped my broker’s account. I don’t even have a broker’s account.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:07 – 2:06:08)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:08 – 2:06:15)

Just so nobody could accuse me of this crap. Does Ben have one? I’m pretty sure he has.

I closed mine when this started.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:17 – 2:06:26)

Now, people are wanting to know, is there a possibility of you and John Arlett working as a team? You know, maybe co-CEOs. Is that something?

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:31 – 2:06:32)

You’re serious. Somebody asked that question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:33 – 2:06:40)

They did ask that, yes.

They say that you need help. And that’s why they want to know if you’d be open to that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:41 – 2:06:58)

You know, I think we’re at the very best case scenario we could be at at this point. For this company at this point not to be subpenny, negative .000. Well, it’s not subpenny yet. Well, I’m just telling you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:58 – 2:06:58)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:58 – 2:07:02)

For it not to be there, it’s shocking to me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:07:02 – 2:07:13)

All right. Now, Stock Diesel from Hot Stock Market would like to know, you know, ask Rufus, how is he going to get the company back from Arlett?

[Mr. Harris] (2:07:16 – 2:07:46)

Let me ask you a question. To answer that, I would have to go under the presumption that John Arlett has the company. I don’t have that.

That’s not my reality. It may be yours, but it’s not mine. He may think it’s his.

I guess he’s working with the same SEC that’s got the charges against the company and default in the federal court. Boy, that’s strange. I don’t see any documents in that court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:07:48 – 2:07:49)

Okay. Now, John, do you-

[Mr. Harris] (2:07:49 – 2:08:00)

I don’t see anything filed in that court system that states so. You may put it in a 8K filing. All that shows you’re able to get access to confidential insider codes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:01 – 2:08:07)

Now, John, you know, a lot of people love John. You know, John is, you know, Batman.

[Mr. Harris] (2:08:07 – 2:08:20)

Good. He’s done a lot for you since he’s been supposedly, quote-unquote, in place. He’s made a false press release and made a perpetrated fraud in your face and laughed at you when he said you hired an SEC attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:20 – 2:08:21)

Yeah, that’s what I was going to say.

[Mr. Harris] (2:08:21 – 2:08:31)

And then you’re sitting here trying to say, oh, he’s a good guy, deal with him. Well, I’ll tell you what. It’s not people I like doing business with.

I’m not going to say I haven’t got myself in that situation a few times recently.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:32 – 2:08:32)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:08:32 – 2:08:35)

But it ain’t someone I’m going back to the well with.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:35 – 2:08:45)

Okay, yeah, because I was going to say that that’s funny because, you know, the people were claiming, you know, the stock was, what, $0.20 and now it’s at $0.09. Yeah, he’s done a great job, hasn’t he?

[Mr. Harris] (2:08:45 – 2:08:51)

Yeah, it’s really, there’s assets in it and they’ve done a proxy and they had the shareholders meeting and they moved on it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:52 – 2:13:20)

Right. He still there? Rufus, he did say that he might lose, we might lose him.

So he’s going to call back. So those of you that have still, I mean, I’m amazed. You guys are still hanging on, 11, 14 p.m. Eastern Time. We’re waiting for Rufus to call back. I’m almost caught up with the messages, which means when he calls back, I’m actually going to ask him if he’ll actually take some of your calls. So we’ll conference you guys in.

But again, remember, folks, don’t be screaming down his throat. Don’t be cutting him off. I’ll hang up on both of you.

So let’s see what goes on. We’re waiting for him to call back. Lenny is saying, hey, I see that CSHD has taken over the show as of lately.

It’s like, what do you mean? This is the first, this is the first time since November 30th, November 30th. We’re in January, November, December.

So a month and a half, a month and two weeks. We haven’t talked or focused on CSHD. It’s crazy, Lenny.

I mean, the guy is out of jail. You know, can’t, he’s got to have a home somewhere. You can’t get the guy to the curb.

Frank is also wanting to know if Rufus has ever heard of Bud Burrell, Burrell, I guess. I’ll ask him when he comes back. And he has a good article about a potential short stock company storyline.

Okay. I guess maybe he’s a Hollywood writer or something. I don’t know.

I don’t know what number he’s going to be calling me back on. So I can’t call him back. Some people are saying, why can’t you just call him?

Again, I don’t have any numbers for Rufus. He just calls. He calls the show.

He’s got, I don’t know, one of these satellite phones, I guess. Who knows? JustTraded is asking, why is nothing on the docket?

That’s a good question. And I’ve actually spoken with the SEC. Not for a long time.

It’s been, hmm. Last time I talked to the SEC was, no, not September. It was back in November, right before Thanksgiving.

Before Thanksgiving was the last time I personally spoke with the SEC about this whole Conversion Solutions thing. And I was trying to get them to come onto the show. I wanted them to be part of the interview.

I wanted them to give us your perspective, SEC. Why are you after Conversion Solutions? Why are you going after Rufus Paul Harris?

And they, of course, gave me the runaround saying, it’s against corporate policy. Not corporate. They’re not a corporation.

It’s against policy. There you go. It’s against policy to state anything to the press.

It’s like, I’m not part of the press. I’m not part of the press. I don’t claim to be.

I’m entertainment. It’s like, you know, media and press, two different things. I’m like, I don’t know who I’m like.

But anyway, so their question about, I did ask them, I said, you know, so is this a done deal now that the defaults have been filed? Or what’s the deal? You know, is everything hunky-dory?

Life goes on? Or is this still an open issue? And they said, well, there haven’t been any dates scheduled.

I’m like, okay, so this means it’s in limbo? Well, keep an eye on PACER. So Rufus is saying the same thing.

They’re saying the same thing. Just Trade, it says, I called Georgia late December and nothing was filed for any future hearings or court dates. Yeah, that’s the same runaround that they gave me.

They said, check it out. If it’s not there in PACER, then don’t believe it. Dave is saying, so how do we clear this up?

Why have two guys, let’s see, hello, caller, you’re live on Stephanie Radio. Who am I speaking to?

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:21 – 2:13:24)

You’re speaking to Rufus Paul Harris.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:13:24 – 2:13:25)

Okay, good news.

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:25 – 2:13:26)

AKA Paul Rufus Harris.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:13:27 – 2:13:27)

There you go.

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:29 – 2:13:30)

According to the SEC.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:13:30 – 2:13:48)

Yeah. Dave has a good question I was taking a stab at. But let’s see what your answer is.

Dave wants to know, so how do we clear this whole thing up? We have two guys who think that they are the CEO of Conversion Solutions. How do we resolve this for the current shareholders?

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:48 – 2:14:00)

I’m giving you an option to vote. Take the company in a direction with people and a company and assets and a whole entire business plan. Vote on it.

Take it. Do it. Make your own choice.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:00 – 2:14:01)

Where’s the meeting going to be?

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:01 – 2:14:02)

That’s the best I can give you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:02 – 2:14:04)

Okay, where’s the shareholder meeting going to be?

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:06 – 2:14:09)

All of that will be revealed at the appropriate time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:10 – 2:14:19)

So did those permits that you had set up for Washington, D.C., did they cost you any money? Were you able to get a refund on those?

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:25 – 2:14:30)

Cute, cute. Neat, neat question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:34 – 2:14:35)

There’s nothing cute about it. I mean, I’ve never.

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:36 – 2:14:57)

It’s real cute. It’s real cute. It’s kind of like, what did I refer to?

What’s one [inaudible]? That’s one of the questions. Are you as gay as I think you are?

You know, it’s one of them. Mr. You got you in trouble. That’s why I call it cute.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:59 – 2:15:00)

That is funny, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:03 – 2:15:08)

I’m serious. I mean, it’s kind of one of those questions. Either way you answer it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:08 – 2:15:09)

Well, no.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:09 – 2:15:12)

If you say no, still not saying no, I ain’t gay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:15 – 2:15:19)

The reason I, that was actually my question. No listener asked that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:20 – 2:15:22)

I paid as much as I said it was cute, but go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:22 – 2:15:46)

The reason I asked that question was last time we were talking, again back on your birthday, November 30th. We had established that yes, the shareholder meeting was still on schedule for Washington, D.C., and I asked you if you had actually landed on the location. You said it was going to come out in the next press release.

And I asked you, have you had any problems?

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:47 – 2:15:49)

Well, I just kind of sat back and wanted to see where to go with it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:50 – 2:16:03)

Right. And I asked you if you’d had any problems with getting the permits, and you said no, that that was in process. So I’m just curious, you know, how did that, you know, it was probably about, what, two, three weeks?

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:03 – 2:16:05)

That’s one of the questions. We just don’t need to go there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:06 – 2:16:06)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:06 – 2:16:07)

Can you respect that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:08 – 2:16:11)

Yeah, no comment. Is that right? No comment?

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:12 – 2:16:14)

No, I didn’t say that. I just said I’m not going there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:14 – 2:16:33)

Okay, so you’re not going there. All right. Let’s see.

We’ve got Gunny saying, he said he turned it over to legal, and they put legal in quotes, a couple of times. Who is legal? Does he now have a lawyer representing the company?

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:37 – 2:16:41)

That’s another one of them questions that, at this particular time, I’m not going to answer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:41 – 2:16:41)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:42 – 2:16:44)

That’s something better disclosed at the appropriate time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:45 – 2:16:45)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:45 – 2:16:47)

Who, what, where, findings and everything.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:49 – 2:16:50)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:50 – 2:16:54)

Well, what do you mean is it legal? He paid for a forensic auditor.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:16:55 – 2:16:59)

Well, Mike Alexander paid $7,500, and then we’ve got John.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:59 – 2:17:01)

Yeah, I guess he paid out of his own pocket. That’s what he told me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:02 – 2:17:10)

Yeah, and then we’ve got John Arlett. John Arlett hired an attorney down there in Georgia. Has that attorney contacted you?

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:12 – 2:17:12)

Negatory.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:12 – 2:17:14)

No? Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:15 – 2:17:16)

Excuse me, negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:16 – 2:17:16)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:17 – 2:17:20)

I had a friend of his tell me, don’t say negatory no more because it wouldn’t work.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:22 – 2:17:23)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:24 – 2:17:26)

So, you know, I changed it to negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:26 – 2:17:43)

That is a word. Dumping is asking that SEC’s case is not about the reality of the bonds. It’s about the quantity claimed to being owned.

So, it’s the ownership, not the legitimacy. That’s something that I’ve been telling people.

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:43 – 2:19:35)

The ownership. Now, wait a second. We have codes and credit facilities and bank accounts designed through Euroclear agents.

All that said, it is when they set it up. So, what do I say to that? Now, wait a second.

This is shocking news. This is just devastating to me. What does Euroclear say about it?

Oh, Euroclear says you don’t own them. They’re not a new issue. Not on Euroclear.

We’ve got a transaction ticket here, and we put it in the county website. Read it. You’re telling me that all that’s fake.

Oh, yes, and I forged those documents. Okay, so those documents are forged, but yet it was a delivered transaction to a bank followed up with a swift. So, that’s fraud from a bank involving Euroclear Systems and a foreign bank?

Wow. But that’s not what they went in court. What they went in court and said is everything is fake, and it’s solely.

This is where everybody keeps getting off. Get your mind. I’m going to help you, or I’m going to try to help you the best I can.

Look at the filing. It is a masterminded pump and dump. Every single thing is fraud.

That is the SEC’s accusation. Everything. And they have multiple specialist statements about it and depositions about why they come to that conclusion.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:37 – 2:19:37)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:19:38 – 2:19:39)

That’s what they’re going for.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:40 – 2:19:40)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:19:41 – 2:20:44)

The sale of shares. We had, what, $600 million from the day we announced the merger to the day it dropped out of the over-the-counter bulletin board? With 42, at one time 31, then a 42 float only?

It rolled over that many times. Most of the people didn’t even get their shares until the end, two days or a week before it was haunted. So that means, $31 million reported for Front Haul to have flipped over multiple numbers of time in the market.

But when you have shareholders contacting the company with a scenario I set up, watching and trading on the DTC sheets between the institutions that are reported through the DTC system, and watching the ADP reported NOBO list names, the majority of those 31 are holding.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:48 – 2:21:06)

Right. So, I mean, we’ll see what happens with the SEC stuff. Another question, actually, is asking, can you give us the name of the CSHD SEC attorneys?

Do you know the names of the attorneys the company has?

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:09 – 2:21:14)

Yes, I do. Will I disclose it at this time? Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:14 – 2:21:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:14 – 2:21:16)

It will be disclosed in court documents.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:16 – 2:21:17)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:17 – 2:21:18)

Filing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:19 – 2:21:22)

All right. And I guess that goes for also the name?

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:22 – 2:21:24)

That’s one of the situations I’m not going to talk about.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:24 – 2:21:26)

Okay. All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:27 – 2:21:27)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:27 – 2:21:28)

Gotcha.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:28 – 2:21:29)

[Inaudible] watch it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:29 – 2:21:45)

I’m moving on.

It says, you know, a good question to ask him is if the bonds can be traded, or how many tradable assets does CVSU have?

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:46 – 2:21:54)

Another one of those questions. Until everything is filed and answered and court cases are open and it hits the court system, no comment.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:55 – 2:21:55)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:56 – 2:21:57)

Not going in there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:57 – 2:21:57)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:59 – 2:22:02)

All those little types of twisty around questions.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:02 – 2:22:03)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:03 – 2:22:15)

Just leave that alone. Go away from anything in the future. We can talk about wherever we are currently.

As I told you, you will be receiving documentation shortly for a proxy vote and a shareholder’s meeting.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:16 – 2:22:24)

Right. I hear what you’re saying. That question doesn’t have to do with the future.

It’s just saying what is it current or what does it have in the past.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:24 – 2:22:27)

It’s not going to be that you will see it in the filing in the court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:27 – 2:22:27)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:28 – 2:22:29)

Just like everyone else.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:32 – 2:22:40)

Now, Stock Diesel from Hot Stock Market is saying, ask Rufus when was the last time he spoke with anyone at the SEC or with John Arlett?

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:43 – 2:22:56)

December for the SEC. Last conversation was. Do you have any objections verbally to me or in writing of us falling in this plan?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:57 – 2:22:57)

With what?

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:57 – 2:23:11)

The only thing we have and the only thing the court has, I’m going to file this answer in front of the court. The only thing is don’t violate any [inaudble] regulation. You do a full disclosure, there’s no issues.

That’s our only legal position.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:15 – 2:23:20)

Okay. Okay. So the SEC on or around December 30th, 31st.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:21 – 2:23:23)

I’m not giving a date on it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:23 – 2:23:24)

Okay. At the end of December.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:25 – 2:23:25)

December.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:25 – 2:23:35)

All right. At the end of December, they, ah, you spoke with them and they wanted to know if you had any objections to what?

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:36 – 2:23:37)

I asked them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:37 – 2:23:40)

Oh, you asked them. Okay. You asked if they had any objections.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:41 – 2:23:49)

And what their legal position was. Okay. My only legal position is to order in the court.

Don’t violate any SEC regulations under those codes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:49 – 2:24:14)

Okay. All right. So just to clear that up.

The last time Rufus Paul Harris spoke with the SEC was at the end of December, 2006. Rufus had asked the SEC did he have any objections. I’m sorry, no, not objections.

Say it again. You said it well that time. I’m slaughtering you right now.

Now let me ask you this.

[Mr. Harris] (2:24:14 – 2:24:26)

The last time I spoke with the SEC, the issue, only comment to me was you are only under a court order saying do not violate any of your SEC rules and regulations.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:24:26 – 2:24:31)

Okay. All right. Now did you make that call to them or did they call you?

[Mr. Harris] (2:24:31 – 2:24:32)

I contacted them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:24:33 – 2:24:35)

Okay. And when’s the last time you talked to John Arlett?

[Mr. Harris] (2:24:38 – 2:25:21)

I do not recall. I have the exact date of it. I spoke with John and James and we got in a phone conversation and John started dumping everything on James and it got all stupid.

John was already out and my first deal was I’m not having this conversation, John, with James on the telephone because James is no longer part of the general committee and it would be giving confidential insider information to someone not affiliated with the company. But he wouldn’t proceed without James on the phone. And then when I got on the phone, he pushed everything off on James.

James did all of this and that was what happened.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:21 – 2:25:21)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:21 – 2:25:22)

The last time I spoke with John Arlett.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:23 – 2:25:25)

Okay. You don’t remember when, was that in November?

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:26 – 2:25:28)

I can get you the date.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:31 – 2:25:31)

Say that again, I’m sorry.

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:32 – 2:25:33)

I can get you the date.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:34 – 2:25:34)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:36 – 2:25:51)

But it’s irrelevant, why? Why is the question relevant? What’s it relevant to?

Whether or not I’m going to hire a guy and give him an official response so he can come in this country under a visa? Am I going to apply for the state department for him to be issued a visa?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:52 – 2:25:52)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:53 – 2:25:56)

So why? Why is that relevant if I speak with this idiot?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:57 – 2:26:05)

Okay. Okay. So that leads to something that I’ve heard, that John Arlett is a German citizen living in Canada.

Is that true?

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:05 – 2:26:18)

That is true and he cannot receive a visa to get from Canada to the United States of America. At least that’s what he told me and I’ve got his resume and an official request from him asking me to submit him a visa.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:19 – 2:26:22)

Now, here’s something that maybe you can.

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:22 – 2:26:22)

Or work visa.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:23 – 2:26:34)

Okay. Here’s something that you might be able to do. Back when John Arlett surfaced and he was going to be the savior to the company, a lot of people were.

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:34 – 2:26:34)

And who’s that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:35 – 2:26:44)

Well, whoever was telling me this. It’s like, okay, yeah, if you think so, sure. Everyone has their supporters, I guess.

And so his little pep rally team.

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:45 – 2:26:45)

Click.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:46 – 2:26:47)

Yeah, I guess.

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:47 – 2:26:52)

I don’t have a pep rally. Why is that? That ain’t fair.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:52 – 2:26:53)

That’s not fair?

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:53 – 2:26:58)

I don’t have a pep rally. Oh. I have to pump up my sales.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:26:58 – 2:27:02)

There you go. There you go. It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s got to do it, right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:02 – 2:27:06)

I guess because I don’t pay people to say nice things about me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:27:07 – 2:27:09)

I guess. I don’t really care what you say. Sure.

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:09 – 2:27:14)

I’m performing my job and moving forward. Like it, hate it, don’t listen, go away.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:27:14 – 2:27:15)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:15 – 2:27:17)

Pay your stock, get your attorney into me. I don’t care.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:27:18 – 2:27:55)

Okay. So the reason I was saying that when John Arlett was to save the company, a lot of people were actually saying that he was a German citizen, but a lot of people – I’m sorry, let me back up. That’s not true.

Now I’ve got my thoughts back with me. So when people were first – when John Arlett first surfaced into the whole conversation and they said that John was going to save the company, they were saying, you know, you’ve got to take a look at his resume. It’s great.

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:55 – 2:28:02)

Hey, let me show you here. You were the one that surfaced John, which directly brought me to subpoena radio.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:03 – 2:28:03)

I surfaced John?

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:03 – 2:28:40)

Remember? John was on your show pumping the company and saying that, you know, literally kind of talking insider information is what I kind of considered it, and that’s why I went out there and said, no, I ain’t going to talk to this guy. That’s the reason I picked the phone up.

You can say, well, he’s the CEO of SubPenny radio. There’s some guy out here saying he’s talking to the company and he’s pumping the crap out of stuff and saying information, and I don’t know where he’s getting it. [Simon: Actually] – Some of it’s close.

Some of it, you know, had some reality in it, but to me it looked like a pump. I wanted to know who he was as much as you did.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:41 – 2:29:03)

Yeah. Actually, chronologically, you know, based off of dates, the first time that John actually – or actually, let me take that back. The person that everyone is saying is John was introduced to me for the very first time as Tut from Hot Stock Market.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:03 – 2:29:06)

I agree, and that’s why he was introduced to me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:06 – 2:29:14)

Right. And so that was – I didn’t know about Tut until you had actually already come on to the show, and then when – I think you had been on the show before.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:14 – 2:29:16)

Yeah, I mean, we had already made contact.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:16 – 2:29:17)

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. I’m not telling you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:17 – 2:29:28)

I haven’t already spoken on the show. I’m just saying the first time the guy surfaced into a public eye that was on SubPenny radio, I picked the phone up and said, I don’t know who this guy is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:28 – 2:29:28)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:28 – 2:29:29)

Hey, John.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:30 – 2:29:30)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:30 – 2:29:33)

Oh, I’ve never actually talked with Rufus Harris, but I’ve talked with Ben.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:33 – 2:29:34)

Yep, yep.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:35 – 2:29:35)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:37 – 2:29:37)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:37 – 2:29:45)

So you’re saying Ben’s giving you insider information? You might better call me. Send me documents.

[Simon: No, that makes] – Send me this type of stuff.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:45 – 2:29:46)

No, yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:46 – 2:29:47)

And that’s how it went.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:48 – 2:29:48)

Yep.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:48 – 2:29:49)

No, I’ve never talked with him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:49 – 2:29:49)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:50 – 2:29:54)

Don’t know who he is. Don’t know where he’s at. That’s why I’m here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:54 – 2:30:05)

Exactly, yeah, because people were asking me, you know, who’s Tut, and I said, I don’t know who Tut is. Again, I’m at a disadvantage not doing the message board stuff, and people were saying, well, Tut is someone that talks on a regular basis with Ben’s family.

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:05 – 2:30:13)

People forget this stuff, man, and I’ve said it multiple times. [Simon: Well, they] – That’s our flaw as Americans. Our memories are extremely short.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:14 – 2:30:37)

Yeah, yeah, to some extent they are. But, yeah, I thought it was odd, you know, because when – I actually did an interview, but John Arlett, as Tut, called the show two different times, and I asked him, I said, you know, so are you an insider based off of how the SEC defines it, either 10% ownership and so forth? He said, no, no, no, no.

I was like, okay, then why are you talking the way you are about this stuff?

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:37 – 2:30:40)

Well, he was knowing dates and stuff.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:40 – 2:30:42)

Yeah, it was just – I wanted to know.

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:42 – 2:30:48)

People were telling me this guy was hitting dates and projecting the future, and I wanted to know how.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:48 – 2:30:48)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:49 – 2:31:08)

First opportunity I heard he was out there where I could get my voice to him was here. He came on after I had been there. I think he actually came on – the first time I heard of him coming on was in response to a barbeque selling Yugoslavian or whatever it was, you know, that brought up on SEC charges.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:08 – 2:31:09)

Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:10 – 2:31:11)

Timothy Miles, Timothy Miles.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:11 – 2:31:24)

Yeah, Timothy came on after that, yeah. That’s when you and him went head to head, toe to toe. That was rather interesting.

All that stuff, you know. Maybe I need to put together a DVD series.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:25 – 2:31:28)

I’m telling you, you’ll make a million when you sign here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:28 – 2:31:31)

Oh, I tell you. All right, so here’s another question.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:32 – 2:31:37)

I want a piece of it. We need to talk and negotiate terms here because my voice is on half of it too, buddy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:37 – 2:31:39)

That’s true, that’s true.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:39 – 2:31:43)

So it says – And I want it to go directly to the shareholders, my half.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:43 – 2:32:01)

There you go. So the next question is actually from Army Guy. It says, can you ask Rufus why the date for the shareholders meeting was set in conjunction with the announcement of Euronext’s merger with the platform in the States, or is this just a coincidence?

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:05 – 2:32:14)

In the crowd, you always find one individual that is really good. It’s a member who sent that to you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:32:14 – 2:32:14)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:16 – 2:32:22)

Can I ask? Ask the person, can you email or whatever it is. I mean, your beat is close.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:32:23 – 2:32:24)

Yeah, it’s Army Guy.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:25 – 2:32:25)

It’s who?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:32:26 – 2:32:28)

Army Guy, the guy that’s over in Afghanistan.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:33 – 2:32:41)

All right, Army Guy from Afghanistan. That’s good, that’s real good. I like that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:32:41 – 2:33:00)

Now what I thought was interesting is throughout the entire evening, we’ve talked about a proxy vote, we’ve talked about an upcoming shareholders meeting, but I haven’t heard you say a particular date. The only date that was ever mentioned for a shareholders meeting was the one that was canceled back in December.

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:00 – 2:33:02)

And that’s what he’s referring to.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:03 – 2:33:14)

Yeah. So he wants to know, did it have anything to do with Euronext’s next merger, or was it coincidental?

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:16 – 2:33:16)

Coincidental.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:17 – 2:33:30)

Okay. Well, he actually says, and if he answers coincidental, he says please follow up with what he thinks the odds were of that to happen.

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:31 – 2:33:35)

Army Guy, I can’t wait. February, right? February.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:35 – 2:33:36)

Yes, he’s going to be back in February.

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:36 – 2:33:41)

We need to sit down. We seriously need to sit down.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:42 – 2:34:00)

All right. So he’s given me his email address. Rufus, if you actually, you use instant message sometimes.

So when you get a chance, make yourself a note, Rufus, send me an instant message and I’ll forward you his email address and that way you can contact him and whatever you need to do.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:02 – 2:34:02)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:02 – 2:34:03)

It says.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:05 – 2:34:06)

I’ll send you an email.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:06 – 2:34:17)

Okay. And it says, and I want to be on his board of directors in charge of military affairs. That’s what he said.

So you’ve got that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:17 – 2:34:25)

Dude, after those questions, that is a very, very large possibility. Very, very large possibility.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:26 – 2:34:48)

Right. We’ve got some people saying that, you know, back with the MN1 interviews, that MN1 had said that you were going to at one point play the victim card and that some of the listeners are actually feeling that that’s what you’re doing. You’re playing the victim.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:48 – 2:34:52)

I haven’t played the victim of nothing, ladies and gentlemen. What if I said I’m a victim of something?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:55 – 2:34:56)

All right. Let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:56 – 2:35:10)

Where have I said I’m a victim? I stepped up and told every one of you it was coming. I stepped up and told you the float was gone at one point.

I don’t know what you’re buying.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:11 – 2:35:11)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:12 – 2:35:32)

And my comment was if they’re stupid enough to sell it to you, you’d be stupid enough to buy it and hold it. I recommend hard-copy format. If you put it in press releases, the CEO of the corporation would like to highly recommend to all shareholders to put your shares in hard-to-copy search.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:32 – 2:35:35)

Yep, yep. That was almost your tagline.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:35 – 2:35:40)

I think the statement to TD Ameritrade that went out couldn’t be any stronger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:42 – 2:35:48)

And they responded to you, not publicly but privately, saying that you need to [Rufus: Very true.] cease and desist that nonsense.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:49 – 2:35:50)

In the future.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:51 – 2:35:55)

Yeah, that’s kind of crazy. No public announcement, just private.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:55 – 2:35:56)

Oh, yeah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:56 – 2:36:10)

Another question, it says, Mr. Harris, about instructing the transfer agent that the six-for-one is for Wattle shareholders only, not for all of us.

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:12 – 2:36:17)

That’s a negative. It is for everyone that receives shares under the merger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:18 – 2:36:34)

Right. I mean, going back to that original 10K that came out, and then you followed it up with a clarification press release, it stated that if you were a shareholder as of, what was it, October 16th?

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:34 – 2:36:35)

Correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:35 – 2:36:42)

Then whether you were a former Wattle shareholder or not, you were going to be receiving the six-for-one shares.

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:42 – 2:36:47)

If your name was on the NOBO list, please check the website and verify that your name is on the list.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:47 – 2:36:47)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:47 – 2:36:59)

If not, contact Sabre Dabbs and Mitchell Pentiak at the following phone number and cooperate fully to give your cert numbers, DTC agent, and broker’s terms.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:00 – 2:37:01)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37:02 – 2:37:04)

You want me to go get the exact wording?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:04 – 2:37:13)

No, that’s fine. I mean, I know it’s out there in the press release, and I know that that was a big, big point. That’s what really started everybody getting all excited.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37:13 – 2:37:16)

That’s what started all of it. That’s when everybody said, whoa.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:16 – 2:37:17)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37:18 – 2:37:26)

We just sold 400 million illegal shares on this stock that, bam, now we’re holding a billion dollars.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:27 – 2:37:47)

So the individual that’s asking about this, I guess they’re wanting you to change that position because I guess they’re feeling that people who are not former Wattle shareholders should not participate in a six-for-one.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37:48 – 2:37:55)

Listen, remember when I told you the only people that would be upset with me? Now you’re feeling the brunt end of that comment.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:57 – 2:38:00)

So the Wattle shareholders are upset because everyone else is getting a piece of the idea?

[Mr. Harris] (2:38:00 – 2:38:02)

There you go. Why else make the comment?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:38:02 – 2:38:03)

Right. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:38:04 – 2:38:24)

All right. They were there. CVSU, we were a OTC.

We were coming out with our filing. You saw it. Without fault.

The only thing that I personally can feel that people that can be upset with me is those as shareholders.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:38:25 – 2:38:25)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:38:26 – 2:38:28)

I would have made that comment earlier tonight.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:38:28 – 2:38:28)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:38:28 – 2:38:32)

Now you’re seeing the brunt of that emotion.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:38:32 – 2:38:42)

Right. And they also want to know how much money was in the bank when Mike Alexander took over and where did that money come from?

[Mr. Harris] (2:38:44 – 2:38:48)

No bank account or anything was ever turned over to Mike.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:38:49 – 2:39:00)

And what happened to the $700,000 brought in through sales of preferred stock 60 days prior to Mike Alexander taking over?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:01 – 2:39:05)

I don’t know where… That’s another one in talk and that’s a [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:08 – 2:39:13)

Okay. And the next question is how much money did the company pay Rufus Paul Harris?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:13 – 2:39:18)

I pretty much can tell you when someone’s talking out your butt, it’s all going to be crap, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:19 – 2:39:20)

Well, this isn’t…

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:20 – 2:39:26)

When I make that comment from here on, let’s move to a more sensible individual.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:26 – 2:39:29)

Okay. So a different individual is asking…

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:29 – 2:39:30)

They got to communicate a little better.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:30 – 2:39:44)

Okay. How much money did Rufus Paul Harris receive in compensation for last year, 2006? What was your annual salary for 2006?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:44 – 2:39:46)

I don’t know. I’ll have to go look.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:47 – 2:39:53)

Okay.

Is that something that you can share with us?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:55 – 2:39:59)

When my tax returns are filed, you can see it. It’ll be public information.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:03 – 2:40:14)

Okay. But usually… Well, okay.

All right. So we’ll wait and see when your taxes are filed. I’ll mark that as a follow-up question later down the road.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:15 – 2:40:28)

I don’t think you’ll be asking the questions on SubPenny Radio by the time that’s done, my friend. I really don’t. You might be talking about a lot of other stuff on SubPenny Radio, but I don’t think you’ll be talking to me about this stuff.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:29 – 2:40:34)

Why is that? Why is that? I just don’t.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:35 – 2:40:38)

Everything that happens between now and then, it will all shift…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:39 – 2:40:40)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:40 – 2:40:42)

…into a different reality.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:42 – 2:40:55)

All right. We’ll see. It’ll be interesting.

We’ll see what happens. If it’s whatever happened to him saying that he hasn’t received a paycheck in ages…

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:57 – 2:40:58)

Hasn’t received a what?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:58 – 2:41:00)

You haven’t received a paycheck. When was the last time you…

[Mr. Harris] (2:41:02 – 2:41:13)

You’re not ever going to be able to… That’s another person talking out of his butt.

I was going to say you’re not ever going to be able to produce a recording where I said that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:41:15 – 2:41:16)

You don’t think so?

[Mr. Harris] (2:41:17 – 2:41:18)

No, I know you’re not.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:41:18 – 2:41:19)

Why is that?

[Mr. Harris] (2:41:21 – 2:41:31)

Because it never crossed my lips. It’s somebody talking out of their butt. Remember, that’s the key.

That’s a code. We need to work that code out in our communication.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:41:31 – 2:41:44)

All right. All right. We’ll see.

There’s some crazy stuff that I say independent of Conversion Solutions that I say on the show that I forget, and when I listen to the tapes, it’s like, Oh, wow. I said that? Okay.

Go back.

[Mr. Harris] (2:41:45 – 2:41:51)

Tell me the word for word. What was the question exactly? Let’s get this out.

You go back and produce it on a tape.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:41:52 – 2:41:53)

Let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (2:41:53 – 2:42:02)

What you need to do is contact a stenographer service that does services and have them dictate, and that’ll be a big selling item.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:03 – 2:42:05)

Ah, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:05 – 2:42:10)

You see? Get that dictation officially posted on the website as a download and charge for that download.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:10 – 2:42:21)

Uh-huh. There you go. There you go.

All right. So, going back, we have a few people we’ve got.

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:21 – 2:42:23)

I was trying to make money for shareholders there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:23 – 2:42:38)

That’s good. That’s good. It says, Why are we not getting…

All right. They want to know why you still like to dance around questions. I’m not sure which question you haven’t given us your answer.

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:40 – 2:42:41)

Dance around questions?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:41 – 2:42:42)

Right. Here’s a question.

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:42 – 2:43:10)

I’m not going to answer a question that has an insinuation, kind of like, Look, I guess I gay, how gay are you? Are you as gay as I think you are? Let’s change that to stupid.

Maybe this will get the communication a little bit better across to individuals asking those types of questions. Are you as stupid as I think you are?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:10 – 2:43:12)

Well, I think, you know, if we take it in that…

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:12 – 2:43:13)

The person asking the question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:13 – 2:43:14)

Right, right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:14 – 2:43:24)

Because they’re false, they have a false innuendo, and the question is dictated to where if it’s answered either way, you know, yes or no, you’re still stupid.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:26 – 2:43:52)

Well, here’s the thing. Going back to the salary, you know, I don’t know of anyone, really, that doesn’t have a ballpark figure of how much they make a year. I mean, you know, I have a ballpark figure of how much money I’ve made trading stock.

It might not be down to the exact decimal point, but I know it’s in this vicinity. You know, I can be within $20,000, you know. Same thing when I was in corporate America, I knew what my base salary was.

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:52 – 2:43:53)

$4.2 billion.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:54 – 2:43:55)

$4.2 billion?

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:56 – 2:43:56)

Yeah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:58 – 2:44:03)

$4.2 billion is what you made in 2005. I mean, 2006.

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:04 – 2:44:17)

I just wanted to throw that out there, get a shock factor and answer it with a stupid-ass question. This is the stupid-ass news. [???] I’m not going to answer it.

Look at my tax returns when they’re filed. Okay, it’s going to be in six figures. I don’t know.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:17 – 2:44:18)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:18 – 2:44:19)

A little over $200,000.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:19 – 2:44:21)

Okay, so a little over $200,000.

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:21 – 2:44:23)

$250,000, I’m not exactly sure of the figures.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:23 – 2:44:39)

Okay, all right. All right, that’s ballpark. Okay, another question is, how much does CSHD have in the bank as cash right now?

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:42 – 2:44:43)

Don’t know. I haven’t looked at the account.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:44 – 2:44:45)

Okay, last time you looked.

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:45 – 2:44:46)

When all this happened.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:47 – 2:44:51)

Okay, what was that dollar amount? Do you remember? Roughly?

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:52 – 2:44:54)

Don’t know. Six figures.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:55 – 2:44:56)

In cash?

[Mr. Harris] (2:44:57 – 2:44:57)

Yeah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:44:58 – 2:45:14)

Okay. Okay, six figures. Six figures in cash.

Okay. Because the last time we had this conversation, people got hung up on cash, meaning there was a different way of using it.

[Mr. Harris] (2:45:14 – 2:45:19)

It’s one of those questions. It doesn’t matter. I mean, it’s not heading anywhere.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:45:19 – 2:45:19)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:45:20 – 2:45:49)

Where? Why? What’s the reason for your question? Why? Why do you want me to know? Look at the last filing. What does the last filing say?

At that particular time, that’s your public information. Okay? There you go.

Don’t ask another question that would be considered to set up at a particular time and giving it to you that all the shareholders out there would not be able to receive it. I’m going to end the conversation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:45:50 – 2:45:50)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:45:50 – 2:45:57)

[Simon: I was going to say-] I’m considering it as stupidity. Okay. I am, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:45:57 – 2:45:57)

No, I hear you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:45:57 – 2:45:59)

Whether it comes from you or the person sending the question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:45:59 – 2:46:04)

Right, right. I’m just seeing that there’s multiple people asking the same question. I’m like, wow, that’s really odd.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:04 – 2:46:14)

Well, then it’s stupid. Don’t ask the question that would require that. Quit doing it.

Think before you ask the question. I’m not stupid, but you are for asking the question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:14 – 2:46:15)

Well, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:16 – 2:46:18)

Not you, but the person.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:18 – 2:46:19)

I hear you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:20 – 2:46:22)

Well, let’s say you’re deaf by association.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:23 – 2:46:31)

Exactly so. The question that was asked earlier was, do you know Bud Burrell?

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:32 – 2:46:32)

Who?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:33 – 2:46:33)

Bud Burrell.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:36 – 2:46:38)

I don’t know. Name sounds familiar, though. I’ve seen it somewhere.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:39 – 2:46:39)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:40 – 2:46:47)

Not direct personal business, but I’m not going to say I haven’t met the guy. I don’t know. But it sounds familiar, whether I’ve read it or seen it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:48 – 2:46:48)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:48 – 2:46:49)

Who is he?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:50 – 2:47:13)

They say that he worked at the bank during the origination of the bond, which was before Torres was done. Which is funnier, if Torres was the one on the bad side of the bank producing bonds. Which is why would he have…

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:13 – 2:47:17)

Where is this person getting their information? That goes back. I’ve asked this before.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:17 – 2:47:20)

The last time this idiot asked the same question.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:20 – 2:47:24)

Very similar question. Where are you getting your information? Provide it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:24 – 2:47:24)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:24 – 2:47:29)

You know, provide the information. You’re talking out your butt.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:32 – 2:47:32)

I think…

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:32 – 2:47:35)

I’m sorry. My wife just got home from me and told me to quit saying that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:35 – 2:47:35)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:36 – 2:47:37)

What can I say, honey?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:38 – 2:47:39)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:39 – 2:47:43)

What else can I say? Of course you’re going to make fun of me saying or talking out your butt. Everyone’s doing it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:43 – 2:47:43)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:43 – 2:47:44)

I’d make fun of me, too.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:45 – 2:48:05)

Here’s the clarification. I actually combined or confused two different messages by the same person. So Bud Burrell has to do with the insanity check.

And he has an article on Penny Stocks about naked short selling.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:09 – 2:48:10)

He has an article about naked short selling.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:10 – 2:48:11)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:11 – 2:48:14)

I thought you said he was a president of a bank.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:14 – 2:48:15)

No, I mixed that up.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:15 – 2:48:16)

Talking out the butt.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:16 – 2:48:23)

I mixed that up. There was two different… The same individual sent messages back to back on two different topics.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:23 – 2:48:28)

What can I say that’s more politically correct instead of talking out the butt? Help me here, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:29 – 2:48:31)

Talking rubbish, talking nonsense.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:32 – 2:48:32)

Crack out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:34 – 2:48:40)

What about that one that you like to use? Jack in the jaw or bumping their gums?

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:41 – 2:48:48)

Bumping their gums, yeah. Okay, that’s somebody bumping their gums. And that will be your code word.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:48 – 2:48:49)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:49 – 2:49:02)

You can say that it’s a stupid question. Well, no, because if I say I’m not going to answer it, they go and talk about it and post everywhere that he’s avoiding the question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:04 – 2:49:28)

Okay. Now, the individual that was asking… This was Stock Diesel.

They were asking, you know, when was the last time you talked to the SEC? When was the last time you talked to John Arlett? They’re basically saying that they weren’t trying to be stupid or anything, as you say.

But what they wanted to do is they want to clarify, at least in their own mind, who the CEO is. You know, they want to know if the majority of shareholders vote Arlett as the CEO.

[Mr. Harris] (2:49:28 – 2:49:47)

I understand. Ladies and gentlemen, I agree with you totally. I agree with you 100%.

Right now, at this particular time, the stuff that has went out, I’ve given you my opinion and my stuff, and I’ve told you what you will be receiving. Get that in your hands, and then get you an attorney. Get you a legal advice. Do something.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:48 – 2:49:49)

Right, and it’s interesting…

[Mr. Harris] (2:49:49 – 2:49:55)

Okay, at this point, I can only point everything out as we go along so far.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:56 – 2:50:10)

It’s interesting here because in the rest of Stock Diesel’s message, he’s saying that majority shareholders voted Arlett as the CEO. But you and I actually…

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:10 – 2:50:12)

Well, that was a comment. Did you vote?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:12 – 2:50:15)

No, I did not. I didn’t vote.

And that’s one of the things that…

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:15 – 2:50:16)

Ben didn’t vote.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:17 – 2:50:18)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:18 – 2:50:22)

What list did they use? What shareholder list did they use? [Simon: Right.] Was it the shareholder committee list?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:23 – 2:50:30)

And so when this first came about, when John Arlett and the majority shareholders, even before talking…

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:30 – 2:50:33)

Where’s the proxy statement filed with the SEC showing who voted?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:33 – 2:50:54)

Yes. Even before you coming onto the show and us talking about it, I actually brought that up to the listeners, saying, you know, this is a claim of majority shareholders. I don’t believe that claim.

And that’s why I originally said I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole John Arlett as the CEO of Conversion Solutions is a hoax, if it’s a big joke.

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:55 – 2:52:12)

To try to keep this thing, Joe, down and buried. Of course. I tell everybody, watch this.

I’ve been through this before. This is going to be cool stuff. It’s really going to happen.

It’s going to be right there in front of your face in a stock you’ve invested into. That was what I put on the website, a letter from the CEO to all his shareholders. This is some really cool stuff.

Watch and document. That’s why. I don’t know what to tell you about it.

I can’t explain these things. I can tell you my involvement with them as best as I can answer them, because that’s just how I am. I will be honest about everything, give you the information, make your decisions from there.

I told you, get an attorney if you feel you need to. Get a class action suit ready and file it in the same court against whoever you want to. But I’m telling you, you’re going to see some activity, and I’m going to give you one opportunity to take it in two different directions.

File suit against certain individuals that discovered, defined, and have sold their shares, their illegal shares, whoever traded the money, who took the money from you, and perpetrated this scheme.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:14 – 2:52:43)

All right. Now, talking about something, Gunny is saying the last time that they heard you on the show, you had stated that you refused to turn over any files over to John Arlett. He was actually trying to find out where you were.

He talked to your wife. She hung up on him, all that kind of stuff. Is it still the case with you and John, or does John now have access to CSHD files and accounts?

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:45 – 2:54:00)

John Arlett and his crew, who I was not, which kind of like I said, James Gee had the documents, the last I’ve heard, and his comment was he just wanted to turn things over and send them back, and I said, uh-uh. You don’t want to do anything to hear from me tonight. You know, the documents you’ve got, I’m going to let you deal with the boys when they come a-knocking.

You ain’t got them, and how you got them was a break-in and entry, in my view. So whoever comes and asks you for them, you deal with them on your own. Those were documents providing information out of the Atlanta office on Peachtree Street that were taken up on naked short selling, or illegal shares.

It was over 800 individual holders, and substantial of millions, and a possible thousand more emails not gone through. That was the only information they got. No real stuff.

That was what went into, with the assistance of Sabra Dabbs, into the office, and left with.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:54:00 – 2:54:10)

Okay. So the question is, does John Arlett have access to information and accounts? The short answer is negative [Rufus: Negative.].

None of it has access- [Rufus: Nothing].

[Mr. Harris] (2:54:12 – 2:54:26)

John Arlett got the website code, and was able to go in and manipulate the website. I changed it first, and then I said, no, I’m just going to leave it. Everybody can see it.

Everybody document this. Let’s watch where this goes. This is some pretty neat shit.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:54:27 – 2:54:46)

Now Ford Racing is asking, if Rufus, did you actually want a company, or if you were planning on getting $15 per share through RICO Act, from all the short sales?

[Mr. Harris] (2:54:47 – 2:54:55)

What did I tell you? When Mike comes to me, Howard comes to me. Company on the verge of bankruptcy.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:54:55 – 2:54:56)

Yeah, you wanted a company.

[Mr. Harris] (2:54:57 – 2:55:39)

Short sold. He had studies, proof, documentation, everything, that they were being squeezed, and couldn’t break it. I give two names, and said, I can tell you, I looked at the training for one hour.

Turned around and said to him, got back on the phone with him, in one hour, tell him I’ll call you back in one hour to give you a decision. And we did so. I could give him two names, and it would be the people that had arranged his funding.

Michael Holbrook being one, and the other was an institution that they had used in the past.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:55:39 – 2:55:40)

And that was the AJW?

[Mr. Harris] (2:55:41 – 2:56:10)

And he turned around and said, looked at Bob, or whatever his name is, and said, yes, those are the people we’re dealing with, and are squeezing it. I said, this is what I can do for you and your shareholders. Turned around, put it in front of my people, everybody said, you got the ham, if you think it will work, let’s do it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:56:11 – 2:56:11)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:56:13 – 2:56:15)

And I lobbied pretty hard with it with our shareholders.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:56:16 – 2:56:16)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:56:17 – 2:56:47)

I told them, look, let’s help these guys out. I’ve been there, most of you were involved, most of the shareholders were involved in Broadband, lost money, in the Broadband ordeal, and this is why we continue to start this company. We could have just went on in the private market.

And never even put it in the public market. But there was a lot of shareholders that were in Broadband, that followed up back into Wattle. Back and says, you know, we like what y’all did, we saw it, it was crazy, we’re interested in being part of your company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:56:47 – 2:56:51)

Right. Okay. Question from…

[Mr. Harris] (2:56:51 – 2:56:53)

And that’s the reason we chose to go public.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:56:53 – 2:57:04)

Okay. Question from Ball Trader is, we know that you don’t have a brokerage account today, but if you had a brokerage account today, would you buy CSHD at these price points?

[Mr. Harris] (2:57:08 – 2:57:13)

With every tradable dime that I have.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:57:13 – 2:57:15)

Okay. So Ball Trader…

[Mr. Harris] (2:57:15 – 2:57:17)

I said that all the time, buy the crap out of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:57:17 – 2:57:18)

Right. So Ball Trader…

[Mr. Harris] (2:57:18 – 2:57:20)

I would buy anything they sell me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:57:20 – 2:57:22)

Alright. So there you go.

[Mr. Harris] (2:57:23 – 2:57:32)

There you go. There’s no ifs, ands, or buts at any price under the four bucks.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:57:34 – 2:58:04)

Okay. Okay. Now, different individuals asking this question, I guess there’s some listeners that are involved or not involved, but they were actually part of the original private placement.

They bought preferred shares. They’re asking, you know, the money that we bought these shares with, we have the shares. We gave the company money through private placement.

Where is the money that we gave you? Is it still in the bank? Is it there?

Has it been spent?

[Mr. Harris] (2:58:05 – 2:58:13)

Look at the financial filing that was audited. Tell them to go to the last financial filing with the SEC and go from there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:58:13 – 2:58:22)

Okay, so the answer to the question, where is the money from the preferred stock sale? That answer is in the letter.

[Mr. Harris] (2:58:22 – 2:58:23)

This is somebody talking out there butt, okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:58:23 – 2:58:24)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:58:24 – 2:58:26)

Oh, I’m sorry. This is somebody…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:58:29 – 2:58:30)

Bumping their gums.

[Mr. Harris] (2:58:31 – 2:58:48)

No, it’s just… I don’t know where it is. It’s just somebody sitting there trying to come up with something.

I don’t know. Stupid. I guess you’d call it…

I don’t know, digging or something. Do you work for the SEC, so this damn thing is a stupid question?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:58:50 – 2:59:01)

Now, do you still live where you… They’re wanting to know if you’ve… Have you moved from where you lived?

Are you still living…

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:01 – 2:59:02)

Negative. Come and get you some.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:03 – 2:59:10)

So you’re still at the horse ranch. I’m still where I am. Okay, so you haven’t picked up and moved and…

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:10 – 2:59:12)

Haven’t moved. Ain’t going nowhere.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:12 – 2:59:12)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:13 – 2:59:16)

Spent a few nights incarcerated recently, but I didn’t move.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:17 – 2:59:17)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:17 – 2:59:19)

It was a temporary home.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:20 – 2:59:22)

There you go.

Did they feed you well, though?

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:23 – 2:59:24)

Yeah, it was rather surprising.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:25 – 2:59:25)

It was good food, huh?

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:26 – 2:59:33)

I was surprised. Now I know why all the people come out of our prisons and weigh 50 pounds heavier than what they went in.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:35 – 2:59:37)

Taxpayers, money, hard at work. So…

[Mr. Harris] (2:59:37 – 2:59:37)

Hello?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:59:38 – 3:00:01)

Taxpayers, money, hard at work. The Sweet Splat has a question. It says, I have written an article that has been accepted for publication in the Wall Street Journal.

I would like to ask Rufus Paul Harris some questions. So, Sweet Splat would like to know if, I guess, they can call in and ask you some questions?

[Mr. Harris] (3:00:03 – 3:00:05)

That’s fine with me. Is that okay with you?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:00:06 – 3:00:13)

Yeah, I mean, it’s fine. So… Sweet Splat…

No, I don’t have a drinking problem. I’m not drunk.

[Mr. Harris] (3:00:16 – 3:00:27)

I’ll tell you something that I have a fault with. When I talk to a bunch of idiots, I have to drink to be able to tolerate the conversation. Okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:00:28 – 3:00:28)

I hear you.

[Mr. Harris] (3:00:28 – 3:00:51)

It is just an urge I have to fight at a point. I may need to go to my doctor and say, can you prescribe me something that I have every day that I have to deal with an idiot that I can take a pill and it will be an anti-idiot pill. So, I, you know, won’t have to take a drink every now and then when I’m on the phone.

But no, I don’t have a drinking problem.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:00:53 – 3:01:14)

Alright, so, let me see. I’m actually trying to… Alright, so, Sweet Splat is going to be calling in first.

Other folks are actually asking. They said, you know, we have, we are private placement investors and we’d like to call and ask Mr. Harris some questions.

[Mr. Harris] (3:01:14 – 3:01:16)

Is he a private placement investor?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:01:18 – 3:01:18)

Say again?

[Mr. Harris] (3:01:19 – 3:01:21)

Or a current private placement investor?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:01:21 – 3:01:52)

I’m not sure. I’ll say former or current. Alright, so, while we wait on that, we’ve got says that Dave Perley got 1.5 million shares. He also got 1 million shares for JSM Construction. JSM Construction being a one-man construction company.

[Mr. Harris] (3:01:56 – 3:01:57)

That’s good stuff.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:01:58 – 3:01:59)

Send it to the FTC.

[Mr. Harris] (3:02:00 – 3:02:05)

Oh, no, never mind. You got it from a filing. Maybe you need to tell them to read the damn thing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:02:07 – 3:02:12)

Hey… A lot of them are complaining. They gave the money to Front Haul.

So, I guess there’s a lot of…

[Mr. Harris] (3:02:12 – 3:02:22)

I, you know, that’s, I don’t know anything about it. I’ll let the forensic attorney they hired come up with that answer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:02:23 – 3:02:45)

Alright, let’s see. I’m actually trying to let’s see, let me clear this line out. And we’re actually going to try to patch in Splat when … I’m trying to see.

There we, no, that’s not it. Bear with me.

[Mr. Harris] (3:02:45 – 3:02:53)

You know what, Simon, these people and these tactics, people will be scared to death to perform these tactics in the public market after this, essentially.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:02:54 – 3:02:57)

Well, that’s why you were talking about having a short elimination.

[Mr. Harris] (3:02:57 – 3:04:07)

All of this, you know, all of these shares and stuff, people’s trying to come up and put on the blogs and that type of stuff of who’s got what, who sold what, and I’m telling you, this, it has changed it. There is no, you cannot produce the company nor any of its directors or insiders have received a single dime purposely or a single share into a physical account [inaudible] [phone beep] [Simon: Are you still there?]. period. [Simon: You still there?] Yeah, when you get questions like that, and go into the who had shares and how they got shares and this type of stuff, you know for names on the NOBO list, you got it through DTC and the SEC. [Simon: Okay, let me um … hold on real quick … I’m going to actually … I’m going to see if I can actually call Splat … Splat gave me his number, so I’m gonna give him a buzz here … okay … we’ve got … let’s see … bear with me …]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:04:19 – 3:04:34)

And I think this is going to work here. Hello, Splat? Bear with me, folks.

It’s getting late.

[Mr. Harris] (3:04:35 – 3:04:36)

I could sing a tune.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:04:37 – 3:04:38)

You could sing a tune.

[Mr. Harris] (3:04:38 – 3:04:40)

Phil Bedspacer, if you want me to.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:04:40 – 3:04:48)

Yeah, let’s see, let me actually, because- [Rufus: And that was just a joke]. Well, what song are you going to sing us?

[Mr. Harris] (3:04:48 – 3:04:53)

No, I wouldn’t try it. I don’t have that much talent.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:04:54 – 3:04:54)

You don’t have that much?

[Mr. Harris] (3:04:56 – 3:04:59)

No, no, I was thinking more along like Amazing Grace or something like that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:04:59 – 3:05:00)

Oh, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:00 – 3:05:02)

No, I can’t say that. I’ll be using God.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:03 – 3:05:05)

Yeah, they’d be upset with you, wouldn’t they?

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:06 – 3:05:08)

Well, I mean, that would be [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:09 – 3:05:12)

Hold on, let’s see right here. I’m trying, let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:15 – 3:05:17)

I’m sorry because it’s the only song I know all the words to.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:20 – 3:05:25)

Let’s see, bear with me. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:26 – 3:05:28)

Half of it, I probably have to hum it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:30 – 3:05:32)

So, the Wall Street Journal is going to…

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:32 – 3:05:33)

I’m dying over here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:34 – 3:05:36)

You’re dying over here?

Hold on, hold on.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:37 – 3:05:38)

I made all the wise-cracks I can make.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:39 – 3:05:42)

No, you shouldn’t be dying. Hold on, let’s see, there we go.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:42 – 3:05:47)

No, I’m not.

I’m dying. I’m withering on the vine. I’m losing them.

I feel them slipping.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:47 – 3:05:49)

You feel them slipping? Okay, hold on.

[Mr. Harris] (3:05:50 – 3:05:51)

They’re slipping. They’re slipping. They’ve got to be, sir.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:05:52 – 3:06:18)

And, here we go. And, we are going to patch him in. I think it’s a him.

Let’s see. Oh, man. Bear with me, folks.

I think, there we go, there we go, I think. See, other people are trying to call, that’s part of the problem. Other folks are trying to call in, get…

[Mr. Harris] (3:06:18 – 3:06:20)

Everybody stop calling radio stations.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:06:21 – 3:06:55)

Exactly, and so it’s giving me a little bit of challenge because I can’t get Splat, because I’m trying to add Splat to the call, but then everybody says, no, I want to be Splat, I want to be Splat. Alright, so here we go.

Let’s add Splat to the call. There we go. Finally, okay.

This is Mike, sweet. Hey, Mike, this is Simon from SubPenny Radio. You’re on the air, live with Rufus Paul Harris.

[Mr. Harris] (3:06:57 – 3:06:57)

How you doing, Mike?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:06:58 – 3:06:59)

I’m good.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:06:59 – 3:07:08)

Okay, so you said you had some questions {Mike: Nice to talk to ya.]. And actually, Mike, if you can, turn down or mute the radio in the background.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:07:10 – 3:07:12)

Stay back, I just muted it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:07:12 – 3:07:15)

Okay, good deal. Alright, so you said you had some questions [inaudible].

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:07:16 – 3:07:17)

Hey, Mr. Harris.

[Mr. Harris] (3:07:18 – 3:07:19)

Hey sir, how you doing?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:07:20 – 3:08:52)

I’m great.

I’ve been following this thing all the way through, and I’m an investor like everybody else. Just pretty much overall having a good time on the whole stock, except for the losing money part. Of course, you know, you invest your own money, and you take the gamble, and that’s what the whole penny stock thing is.

I don’t know if you still actively visit the Hot Stock Market, but every now and then I pull up some stuff about DD, and I’ve been kind of taking notes and just kind of watching this thing and talking to people, and I’ve been on PalTalk, and have some people that I talk with there on HSM, and just kind of made some decent contacts with some people, kind of affiliated with the FCC, and some people in government, and formulated some just kind of real general questions, and got some general answers, and I don’t know, and from these notes and stuff that I took, I basically wrote an article, got accepted by an editor, at the Wall Street Journal to publish. I mean, I’ve got some general opinions kinda about the whole thing, but I can’t obviously post the answers to the questions, but what I’d like to do, if it okay with you, is to go through some of these questions that I wrote out on HSM, and just to see if you have an opinion on any of them, or if you can comment.

[Mr. Harris] (3:08:54 – 3:08:57)

Have you been listening tonight?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:08:58 – 3:09:07)

I haven’t listened. I’m kind of probably like a lot of people. I was pretty much just doing this 24-7 until my wife started looking at it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:09:10 – 3:09:14)

Go ahead, Mike.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:09:14 – 3:10:16)

I understand your position. I know your comments about people being stupid and stupid questions. It does, I guess.

If you can’t comment and don’t want to comment, that’s cool. I haven’t listened all night, so maybe these would be repetitive, but at least it will help me just kind of go through some of this information. I’ve got a question for you.

The first question I wrote when I did the article was a question about Our Street being involved. One of my sources, and I think I know this for the most part based on it, but one of the questions is did someone within the corporate structure of CSHD contact the SEC or other officials as well as Our Street ultimately led to the trading halt?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:10:19 – 3:10:23)

Now, Mike, you’re breaking up a little bit. I’m not sure what’s going on. You’re still there, right?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:10:24 – 3:10:25)

Yeah, I’m here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:10:25 – 3:10:37)

Okay, so let me see if I actually heard the question properly. You want to know if anyone within Conversion Solutions corporate structure contacted the SEC that led to the stock being halted, is that right?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:10:39 – 3:10:48)

Yeah, contacted as well as OurStreet.com, which ultimately led to the trading halt.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:10:49 – 3:10:49)

Okay.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:10:50 – 3:10:56)

Did you actually make those phone calls to Our Street and the SEC [inaudible]?

[Mr. Harris] (3:10:56 – 3:11:14)

No, there was no phone call to Our Street, and there was conversations with the SEC and NASDAQ throughout the transaction. You have to correspond with both of them for a merger of this type to go through. There was a lot of questions and they were answered.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:11:14 – 3:11:24)

Okay, so, but Rufus, those conversations that you had with the SEC and NASDAQ, those conversations, did they lead to the stock being halted?

[Mr. Harris] (3:11:25 – 3:11:28)

I would say, in my opinion, the 6 for 1 did.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:11:29 – 3:11:48)

Okay, so conversations around the- [Rufus: Because [inaudible] started with NASDAQ coming back asking, well, insisting, that the 6 for 1 be at X date [inaudible] and let the company continue a [inaudible].] Okay, hold on.

[Mr. Harris] (3:11:49 – 3:13:29)

… more stock to be sold into the market? I said, sorry, it’s not a dividend. There’s nothing to get me to make it as a dividend. I said their shares are issued under this article under this merger and this is what we voted on, and this is what we’ve done. We’ve notified the SEC in this filing and we are notifying you. And it started with a lady by the name of Jennifer in the dividend department, from NASDAQ, insisting it was a dividend. And then my next contact was with the same individual, telling me that the transfer agent [inaudible] improperly notified, he [inaudible] the shares. And my response to NASDAQ was, when the transfer agent told the public company that they don’t have the authority to issue shares, [inaudible] and the agreement was in SEC filings. They brought in SEC at that point. And then I was more or less instructed, if it was going to happen, it would be done as a dividend, and I said … you know, no. [Simon: All right-] It wasn’t long later the company was bam, haulted, trading, everything fraud, and so on so on so on. [Simon: Okay, hang on. I think we may have a bad connection with Mike, because it’s causing the phone to sputter in and out.]

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:13:30 – 3:13:35)

Excuse me, I’m going to PM you my home phone number. Could you call me on that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:35 – 3:13:36)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (3:13:37 – 3:13:41)

You don’t want to get that out of the air, do you?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:41 – 3:13:42)

No, no, no, he doesn’t.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:13:42 – 3:13:46)

No, no, I’m going to PM you to him, and just call me back. Would that be all right?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:46 – 3:13:49)

Yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, let me do that, all right? Okay.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Sweet Splat)] (3:13:49 – 3:13:50)

I’ll hang up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:50 – 3:13:52)

I didn’t want him to do that.

[Mr. Harris] (3:13:53 – 3:13:55)

They would be putting pictures of his home.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:56 – 3:13:57)

Right, exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (3:13:57 – 3:13:58)

On the internet.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:13:58 – 3:13:59)

Yeah, that’s right.

[Mr. Harris] (3:14:00 – 3:14:02)

And making little movies of him staying on the toilet.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:14:03 – 3:14:11)

Right. So, Rufus, let me do something. Let me actually call you back as well, because what I want to do is I want to make sure that it’s not also my end.

[Mr. Harris] (3:14:11 – 3:14:12)

Same number I called you on.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:14:13 – 3:14:15)

Yeah. You want me to call you back on that same number?

[Mr. Harris] (3:14:17 – 3:14:17)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:14:17 – 3:14:19)

All right, all right. Give me a few minutes, all right?

[Mr. Harris] (3:14:20 – 3:14:20)

All right.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:14:20 – 3:14:33)

So, for you, the listeners, I’m actually going to take a quick break, and we will be right back. And when we come back, we’ll have Mike and Rufus back on the phone. Here’s a little bit of Boston for those that like this music.