SPR Transcript 3

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (0:07 – 0:14)

Hi Mr. Harris, this is Strange Days. Peter, Montreal, Canada. How are you doing?

[Mr. Harris] (0:15 – 0:16)

Hi Peter. I’m doing good, how are you?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (0:17 – 0:25)

Good, good. Actually, I’ve been in touch with you just briefly, a few emails.

I don’t know if you recognize my ah, the strange name?

[Mr. Harris] (0:28 – 0:29)

I recall it, yes I do.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (0:29 – 0:46)

Okay, perfect.

Yeah, I have a few questions, Rufus, pertaining because all this is really wild, wild stuff. I mean, I agree with you 100%. Basically, right now, John is the CEO, right?

[Mr. Harris] (0:48 – 0:48)

Maybe.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (0:49 – 1:14)

Actually, he is. But is he the CEO with this as well?

Has he filed in the court? [Mr. Harris: [inaudible] can’t hear you. What?] I’m asking because he’s the actual CEO of the FCC [???]. Has he said that he is the CEO of CSHD with the judge?

[Mr. Harris] (1:16 – 1:29)

Have you seen any filings or anything put out to the courts? In fact, it is in the first filing.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:29 – 1:31)

Okay, my question is…

[Mr. Harris] (1:31 – 1:50)

… an attorney or a law firm filing to open that default representing their client and stating who they are and why they would want to open it and proceed forward. And give a very good explanation for that to go against their order to open the case.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:52 – 2:22)

You’re breaking up a little bit, but I’m going to continue with these questions, okay?

And I think I understand where you’re going with this, and correct me if I’m wrong. Right now, Mike Alexander is the beneficial owner. He’s a major shareholder, right?

But only because the 5 million shares, preferred shares, were converted to 50 million regular shares, and that’s what did it.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22 – 3:00)

No, they were not converted at the time of the merger. And they were denied.

They were denied in a negotiation that there’s no way you’re going to receive 50 million shares or we’re going to do this deal where you get 50 million shares. What you get is what is put into the merger and what will be signed off by your people and our people. And it will be 14 million free trading shares that you currently have you will be allowed to keep up.

And that was what they did. And the man said, I will be glad for 14 million shares at a couple of dollars a share, Mr. Harris.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (3:01 – 3:04)

Right, and basically agreed [???].

[Mr. Harris] (3:05 – 3:33)

Now, if they’re coming back and trying to go and reissue those shares, there’s more of your illegal shares issued. There has to be an authority. There has to be a recognized entity.

It has to all be done under certain rules and regulations. Show me where it was issued. Show me where in the filings that it was issued because it would have to have been announced in the registration that those shares were converted.

You just can’t go out and release them and say boom.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:34 – 3:37)

Okay, Rufus, let Strange Days…

[Mr. Harris] (3:37 – 3:39)

And you would have to disclose the increase of the float [???].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:40 – 3:45)

Okay, so let Peter answer. [Rufus: By law, by law.] Hang on, Rufus, hang on.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (3:47 – 4:20)

Okay, so yes, okay. And the only reason that they weren’t converted, but he did convert it at the time of the SEC halting the stock, basically to take over the company and to make decisions. At the time, it was the best thing that it was your idea initially to resign.

And then the company decided to say that you would dismiss whatever, basically to protect the company. I understood that. But then he used that to set you aside and place John Arlett.

The whole reason what I’m leading to…

[Mr. Harris] (4:20 – 6:30)

Well, now wait a second, now wait a second. See, he didn’t have the authority to do it at that point anymore.

What he would have had done at that point when he was no longer an insider or unaffiliated, when he turned the company over to me and they resigned and walked away, they would have had to have signed a more than 10% ownership and get them a SIK number, a SIC number, SIP number with the SEC, and then filed a proxy statement to the SEC announcing the hostile takeover. That is wrong. And that’s why when questions like this come up, and that’s why I get agitated and refer to, I don’t mean to upset people and use the word stupid and idiot and stuff of that sort, but I understand and that’s why I try to work through it and slowly explain it to everyone.

I just get agitated when it’s the same stuff leading to the same questions over and over and over. Referring to Mike, there has to be legal proceedings. Get an attorney.

Ask your attorney. A bunch of you get together. That’s why I formed the shareholders committee.

I formed it with you right now. Inform the shareholders of what you can find out. I will work with you on this.

This will be your authority, and I will allow you to put and submit boards of directors to go in the proxy. That was my comment to the shareholders committee. I was stepping them through the legal process, and then they did this on their own.

Mike just cannot come up and say, on this date they were not issued. They’re not in a filing. I didn’t have them.

In the merger agreement, okay, we’re still in the merger agreement, but I’m turning it back over to Mr. Harris. All right? You’re still own your 51%.

That’s your position at that point. Now, if you turn it over to me, you’re not getting your 50 million, Terry [???]. That was what I said.

You’ll get to keep the 14 million, and I’m going just back to the merger. He knows that. He wants his 50 million, Terry, because they make a charge against him.

The institution that he logged in with and the funding that was arranged is why he wants them. This is what he told me. Yes, you did, Mike.

And if you deny it, you’re a liar.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (6:31 – 6:32)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (6:32 – 7:11)

That was the way it was.

They’re shorting against my position, my preferred shares, and they’re squeezing me, Mr. Harris. Can you help me? Yes, I can.

I know who they are, and I will help you. They’re short selling the crap out of my company, and there’s nothing I can do, no matter how successful or whatever, or whatever we do, they keep short selling, and they’re squeezing me. They call me every day.

They’re threatening my life. They’re coming to my house. Help me.

You got it, Mike. I don’t know if Mike’s in danger right now, and I hope he’s not. And if there’s any Feds listening, you might want to try to discuss it with Mike.

[Inaudible]. No [inaudible] not getting shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (7:12 – 7:15)

All right. Rufus, let him ask the next question. Go ahead, Peter.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (7:16 – 7:29)

Thank you, Simon. So basically, where we stand now, this is going to be put in front of a judge, Mr. Cooper, and basically he will decide whether or not [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (7:30 – 7:32)

Rufus, let him finish. Let him finish, Rufus, please.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (7:33 – 7:40)

Yeah, the judge will decide at this point for the proxy vote. Is it possible that he will deny that?

[Mr. Harris] (7:40 – 8:00)

That doesn’t have to be the proceeding.

The proxy vote could be all proper documentation submitted to the SEC by the CEO of this corporation. I can sign it. I am also putting it in the court and going to ask the court to appoint a court stenographer to be a part of the proxy and the shareholders meeting and if the court has any objections.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (8:01 – 8:01)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (8:01 – 8:25)

All right. No one’s going to have a problem as long as it follows legal procedures. The first part of a proxy or a shareholder vote is you pull your NOBO list and you prepare documents to mail out to all of those people to have it. You cannot just step up and say, I am 51% owner of this company and I choose at this point to do this.

There are legal processes that have to be followed. All right?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (8:26 – 8:37)

Okay.

And so once this happens, it would basically be a proxy vote to choose either go one way or the other way. One way, your way [Rufus: No.].

[Mr. Harris] (8:38 – 8:58)

Whoever prepares the proxy is what you get to vote on.

What they put in the proxy, that’s it. That’s what you choose. Now, if they’re on the [inaudible] side, they can go through the legal proceedings, announce their shares, give them a [inaudible] number.

If they feel they on with the SEC, if the SEC agrees, they will allow them to vote and submit a proxy. That’s the legal proceedings.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (8:59 – 9:03)

And you would like to start it as a new shell of around $50 million?

[Mr. Harris] (9:05 – 9:05)

That is true.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (9:05 – 9:06)

Worth around $50 million?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (9:06 – 9:14)

That is true.

It will be part of a very large package and offer to the public and the whole plan and prospectus will be submitted.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (9:15 – 9:16)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (9:16 – 9:32)

It will be a entire business plan with a new asset base and a new financing and just the same thing, the conversion solution CVSU was prior to Front Haul and move it directly on with an undisclosed or somewhere around $50 million somewhere in there assets.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (9:33 – 9:50)

Okay [inaudible]. Because I’m just wondering, I’ve been through all this with you.

I mean, not at the level that you’ve been, but I just don’t want these people. I see it. I mean, it’s so evident.

[Mr. Harris] (9:50 – 9:54)

They’re not going to get away with it, man. I know. Because everybody gets upset by reading this.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (9:58 – 10:14)

[Inaudible.] I’d like them to be wrong. I really want that everything that these shareholders that have put a lot into this, get something out of it and at least get the satisfaction of knowing we were right in the end. I mean, right now we’ve been hit so hard.

[Mr. Harris] (10:14 – 10:38)

You’ll get your money back. I’m telling you, the SEC will get it. They will see that there’s multiple cases being posted out there by a few select intelligent individuals that go out and post cases where SEC moves against trust and hedge funds for toxic funding against similar over-the-counter bulletin boards. They’re all over the place right now.

The SEC is being pressured to step up and end this crap. And they’re doing it.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (10:38 – 10:39)

So, are you saying…

[Mr. Harris] (10:39 – 10:41)

This one will be part of that process.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (10:41 – 10:47)

Will be one of the… Yeah, many, of course.

But- [Rufus: [inaudible] I’m trying to do is limit the company].

[Mr. Harris] (10:48 – 11:16)

Instead of putting it in a state like all the other companies and situations they’re having to go through, I want to submit a proxy to move the shareholders as of that day, as of their official NOBO, which is required by law for it to be issued, moved on, vote, move the company in a direction, keep this on its record, but move on. That’s with new people, new staff, go on as the company was designed.

That’s what I’m proposing.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (11:16 – 11:17)

And-

[Mr. Harris] (11:17 – 11:32)

And that’s all we can do at this point.

I, by law, have to deal and stay back in that federal court and deal with it. And I agreed to that the day I signed the deal with Michael Alexander. Dude, you don’t know what I’m taking on.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (11:32 – 11:34)

No, no, I do.

[Mr. Harris] (11:34 – 12:18)

Because these shareholders will get their money and they will all get it back. It will go through and everybody will be happy in the end.

It’s been crazy. You know, up and down. People on talks, stay under me, on talk shows, stay under me.

They talk to me. They have insider information. All kinds of stuff.

And it’s all been very visible for everyone to see. You’re right. It is shocking.

It’s reality. All I can do, like I said from day one, is we’ll deal with it. Now, the SEC is waiting to see where this goes.

Now, the FBI went and got those documents from them. That’s great. That’s a good sign to me.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (12:19 – 12:20)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (12:20 – 12:21)

That is a great sign.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (12:22 – 12:28)

Question to you. The shorts are not able to cover.

They cannot, right?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (12:28 – 12:31)

No, there’s no way. There’s no shares to buy.

You understand?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (12:32 – 12:50)

I understand that. We’re talking crazy numbers that some numbers have been put out there. Anything anywhere near that, I mean, obviously the 6-for-1 is a big question mark. We don’t know what could happen at this point with that.

I mean, that is the clencher. I believe the 6-for-1 is the clencher. Right?

[Mr. Harris] (12:51 – 14:11)

Well, it is what caused the earthquake. That’s what rocked the system. There’s no way.

We can’t allow this. We’ve got to stop this now. Because if you do this, you’re going to crumble.

There’s many financial institutions that’s involved in this. I mean, [Peter: inaudible] or whatever. I have diverted in any manner, holler whatever you want to holler.

Okay? But it’s the production point. You take a 100% balancing that is damn near unbelievable.

Excuse my French. I’m sorry. My mom called and got on to me about something on the radio.

Sorry, Mom. And you make a perfect storm. You put everything out there that just seems unbelievable.

And these people are going to go, Oh, we’ve got an idiot. We’ve got an idiot. Let’s make some money.

And they did it. No, if, ands, or buts. Who’s involved?

That’s not my responsibility. That’s the government agency to find out who’s involved and how they did the shares, where the shares come from, how it would trade. Eight million one day and 18.8 another day, and then three million, and have an average of three million shares for 60 days or 90 days. That’s their responsibility. It’s not mine. I’m not spending a dime on it.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (14:12 – 14:14)

So even with that system [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (14:14 – 14:32)

You straighten it up. And that’s how I’m dealing with it.

That’s why I didn’t feel an attorney needed to be put into the SEC. That’s all I said in front of that court. Hey, I’m beginning to wonder if these people really work for the SEC, sir.

I said that they were good. I really am.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (14:33 – 14:34)

Good point.

Good point.

[Mr. Harris] (14:36 – 14:37)

[Inaudible.] Where did they come from?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (14:39 – 14:39)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (14:39 – 14:40)

So go ahead.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (14:40 – 14:58)

Without the six for one, for whatever reason, because you were mentioning about removing some of the filing, starting cleaning a new shell of the proxie votes goes through. Without the six for one, do we still have NSS assets, forensic assets?

[Mr. Harris] (14:59 – 15:00)

Do we still have any?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (15:01 – 15:08)

Any NSS, naked short-selling forensic assets? Because that’s an asset, right?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (15:09 – 15:11)

[Inaudible] It’s a very large asset. You are exactly right.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (15:11 – 15:12)

That’s a very large asset.

[Mr. Harris] (15:12 – 16:40)

But that will have to stay in the court with me. But see, that will have to stay in the court with me. It will stay on the company’s record that this [Peter: Right.] case is ongoing.

And the company had a proxy vote, and it moved in this direction with new people, and everything from this point has been what you call an old ship. And it stays in the court, and it all goes through the court system. The boss, if there was fraud, who perpetrated it, who sold the illegal shares.

[Inaudible] And the shareholders were not the people that received the money. Well, they dumped their shares. They dumped the legal shares, and they kept dumping.

Well, that has to be real. The NASDAQ was reporting on a daily basis that there were 600 million shares traded from the day the merger was signed to the day they halted it, or 600 million-plus real shares. It was reported on the DTC system.

It was on screen for everybody to see. People bought and traded off of that information provided from NASDAQ … who was involved. You know, that will stay in the court, and once it works its way through the court, it will be a…

I would be staggered to find out the penalty that would come on that in the future.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (16:41 – 16:44)

Well, they say book value times three, right, RICO?

[Mr. Harris] (16:44 – 17:01)

Right.

It will be staggering to see that number in the future. [Inaudible.] And who got the money, and their track down, and what organizations that were involved, and what brokers were involved, and who they worked for, it will be staggering.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (17:03 – 17:07)

And that will remain as an asset to this, the new…

[Mr. Harris] (17:07 – 17:18)

You better believe it. The SEC will go and get it and file motions against them in the federal court. [Inaudible.]

If it is signed, and you wait and see, that will be part of their current recovery at plus damages.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (17:27 – 17:29)

[No sound] I appreciate the call tonight.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (17:29 – 17:30)

Thank you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (17:30 – 17:30)

All right.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (17:31 – 17:32)

Okay, bye, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (17:32 – 17:34)

No problem, bud. Thanks for calling.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (17:34 – 17:58)

All right. So let me actually go ahead and get Splatt on the line next. He’s the gentleman that was actually asking those questions when we were first breaking up.

And let’s see. This should be a little bit better. He gave me a new phone number to give him a call on.

Let’s see what we’ve got here.

[Mr. Harris] (17:59 – 18:00)

Is this the first guy?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:00 – 18:01)

Yes, uh-huh. [Phone Ringing]

[Wrong Number Dialed by Simon] (18:10 – 18:11)

Hello?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:11 – 18:16)

Hello. Is Splatt or Mike [Rufus: Mike] available?

[Wrong Number Dialed by Simon] (18:17 – 18:18)

You must have the wrong number.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:19 – 18:22)

Uh, okay. Sorry about that. Thanks.

[Wrong Number Dialed by Simon] (18:22 – 18:23)

Uh-huh. Bye.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:23 – 18:41)

Bye-bye. That is… Now, Splatt, I dialed that…

I double-checked, I triple-checked that number. I’m telling you, that is the same number. He said, no, it’s not.

I’m looking at it right now. All right.

[Mr. Harris] (18:41 – 18:42)

This is reality.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (18:42 – 19:19)

It is. It is reality. Typos.

So, Splatt, go ahead and give me a call from that line and I’ll take your call. Other folks, if you guys would hold off, send me an instant message if you want to ask questions to Rufus Paul Harris and I will IM you back when it’s your turn to give a call. I’m not sure if other folks calling in is causing the breakup or if it’s actually the phone lines, but we’ll try it that way.

I’ve already got two folks after Mike calling in. So, let’s go ahead and see.

[Mr. Harris] (19:21 – 19:23)

Well, I’ll give it as long as I can.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (19:24 – 19:25)

Right. No, I appreciate it.

[Mr. Harris] (19:26 – 19:28)

When I get tired, you can tell.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (19:29 – 19:34)

Right. And people just don’t listen.

[Mr. Harris] (19:35 – 19:42)

And no, I haven’t had a drink. I’m fighting it, people. I’m fighting it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (19:42 – 19:43)

You’re fighting having a drink?

[Mr. Harris] (19:45 – 19:48)

No, not really. I have no urge to have a drink.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (19:49 – 19:49)

Let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (19:49 – 19:51)

I can do it probably once a month.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (19:51 – 20:06)

Let’s see. Hang on. Let’s see.

All right. Here we go. Here he is right now.

Let’s see. Add. Hello.

You’re on Subpenny Radio. Who am I speaking with?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (20:07 – 20:07)

It’s Sweet Splat.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:08 – 20:12)

Okay, Matt. I meant Matt. Mike. Yeah, all right.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (20:12 – 20:13)

Sweet Splat, Mike. Yeah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (20:13 – 20:28)

All right. So, I think we may have a better connection provided that we’re trying some different things here. So, you were asking Mr. Harris a couple of questions earlier. Let’s go ahead and start from the top. And if you can limit it to three so we can get the other guys on the phone as well.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (20:29 – 20:32)

All right. Hey, Rufus again.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (20:33 – 20:34)

Hey, bud.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (20:34 – 20:47)

Hey, quick question. In my opinion and from my sources said many investors are able to sell their shares the days leading up to the trading halt. Who were these investors?

[Mr. Harris] (20:49 – 20:54)

I don’t know. [Mike: Did you know…] Where did they get their shares?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (20:56 – 21:01)

Well, the list of investors- [inaudible] [Rufus: I don’t know.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (21:01 – 21:02)

Right, okay.

[Mr. Harris] (21:02 – 21:12)

I don’t know who sold the shares. [Simon: Okay.]

Wattle [???] people received their shares probably about a week before the halt. And their shares just hit the DTC system. Some of them didn’t even hit before the halt.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (21:14 – 21:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (21:16 – 21:22)

So, the majority of them actually. So, it wouldn’t be Wattle shares. There may be a few Wattles that made it in the system pretty fast.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (21:24 – 21:42)

Did the trading patterns just prior to the merger agreement and thereafter suggested insider information was being exchanged to certain parties repetitively? And if so, who are these parties? Based on the DTC and the NOBO list that you have.

[Mr. Harris] (21:43 – 21:52)

That’s a strong thing you asked me on a live radio station in the middle of [inaudible]. And I’m going to be careful with that.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (21:53 – 22:15)

The reason why I asked you this is [Rufus: Inaudible.] that based on what they’ve seen from the NOBO list and the DTC list that suggests that the list that was published on the CSH website that was fraudulent, based on the list that they have, that the trading parts are pointing to certain parties.

[Mr. Harris] (22:16 – 23:07)

I would agree. I would agree 100%. That would be a correct statement that they are directly pointing to certain institutions and certain market makers.

Most active, as you can see on level 2 on the over-the-counter bulletin board. No doubt about it. The ones that hit it at any cost and drive it down and drive it up and drive it down in the midst of all this.

Most of them would sit and place their bids and people would put out $10 sales and they would be taken out on a daily basis and some kind of new law created preventing them from posting that. And then certain people would come out and short sell it way under the common bids and control the market. Yes, I would agree with that.

All over the internet market.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (23:07 – 23:19)

Are you aware of or have any knowledge that some of these trading patterns may suggest certain friends and family members related to you or a party to this?

[Mr. Harris] (23:19 – 23:23)

Negative.

I didn’t [inaudible].

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (23:24 – 23:25)

No, of course not.

[Mr. Harris] (23:25 – 23:26)

That is a negative.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (23:26 – 23:27)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (23:27 – 23:28)

And not possible.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (23:29 – 23:48)

Has the SEC or are you aware of a connection between HSM, PalTalk, Michael Alexander, Dog Mono, Mr. Arlett related to the trading patterns that have shown up in these NOBO, OBO, and DTC lists?

[Mr. Harris] (23:52 – 23:55)

Real stone cold. I understand.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (23:55 – 23:58)

Have you discovered it in the past?

[Mr. Harris] (23:59 – 24:08)

I would say all relationships all were met through one relationship and that relationship was an insider [???].

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (24:10 – 24:15)

So what you’re saying is you are aware of a relationship between Mr. Arlett and Mr. Alexander?

[Mr. Harris] (24:15 – 24:20)

A relationship in the previous history of all the parties that you have mentioned.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (24:21 – 24:21)

Did you know it?

[Mr. Harris] (24:21 – 24:24)

We did business together and I would call that a relationship.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (24:25 – 24:26)

Did you know it prior to?

[Mr. Harris] (24:26 – 24:28)

Prior to Conversion Solutions and Front Haul.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (24:29 – 24:35)

Were you aware of it prior to your dealings with FHAL or after?

[Mr. Harris] (24:36 – 25:02)

I knew it from watching the trading in one hour and the names of the direct people that have been dealing with Mike and Dave. At that point, I knew that there were people I knew they had an irregular market and were being settled by Mike and a few other market makers … and squeezed [???].

The majority of trading activity was through those institutions.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (25:04 – 25:07)

Which you obviously knew with the trading. Yeah, I understand.

[Mr. Harris] (25:07 – 25:32)

All you have to do is go to Over-the-Counter Bulletin Board. It’s public knowledge for anyone. Go to Over-the-Counter Booking Board and run the market maker activity on CVSU, CSHD, Front Haul, whatever.

It all shows up. It shows the largest holder and activity is Knight Securities. I think for the past year, last time I’ve seen the report, it was like $38 million.

I’m not sure if that was just the quarter or for the year.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (25:35 – 25:36)

Yeah. Short question if that’s cool. Is that alright?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (25:37 – 25:37)

Yeah, go ahead.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (25:40 – 25:50)

Overall, Rufus, in your opinion, who is the main beneficiary of the last nine months of the Wattle, CVSU, FHAL, CSHD drama?

[Mr. Harris] (25:52 – 25:56)

Who would be one individual?

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (25:57 – 25:58)

Or whom?

[Mr. Harris] (26:02 – 26:12)

I’d say it’s as in the filing. It’s as the merger agreement filed with the SEC and executed in the State of Delaware.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (26:15 – 26:16)

I agree.

[Mr. Harris] (26:17 – 26:22)

Where FHAL was dissolved and CVSU was the surviving entity. FHAL was no longer to be.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (26:25 – 26:27)

One last question.

One last question, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (26:28 – 26:28)

Okay.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (26:33 – 26:43)

Is Rufus Paul Harris considered by SEC investigators to be a culprit or a victim in regards to an insider trading scam or a naked SS?

[Mr. Harris] (26:44 – 26:46)

I can’t answer that. I don’t.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (26:46 – 26:47)

In your opinion?

[Mr. Harris] (26:47 – 27:15)

It would require for me to have a speculation on someone else’s thoughts or consideration. I’m not concerned either way, just to be honest with you. If there’s a possibility, don’t scare me.

I have no fear of the situation of any fraud being perpetrated in my house. So, I don’t know. And I don’t care.

Whether they’re looking at me, they named me because I was the one that signed the documents and it’s good. I asked for it. I kept it.

Bring it on.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (27:16 – 27:16)

Okay.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (27:17 – 27:27)

My question for Rufus is do you consider yourself to then use in this whole situation to evict a certain person?

[Mr. Harris] (27:27 – 27:51)

No, no, sir. I’m not calling, I’m not calling [inaudible] a victim. Under no way.

No. Rufus Paul Harris is not a victim. Under any circumstances.

The shareholders of a corporation of CVSU, Wattle, Front Haul, whether they’re free or whatever the rest of this stuff is, and from now or back or whatever, are the victims.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (27:53 – 27:54)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (27:54 – 28:00)

I see Rufus Paul Harris as a solution.

I don’t like talking to third parties.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:01 – 28:01)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (28:02 – 28:06)

But I feel that I’m a solution in this situation.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (28:07 – 28:08)

All right. One more, please.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (28:09 – 28:10)

All right, go ahead. The last one.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (28:10 – 28:28)

Are you, do you have documentation to, that suggests or are you aware of information that would suggest a group or a group of investors were allegedly paid off following the trading halt? For example, certain pipe investors or investors.

[Mr. Harris] (28:28 – 28:30)

I have heard that. I have heard that.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (28:30 – 28:31)

Are you aware of it?

[Mr. Harris] (28:31 – 29:12)

I have individually been offered payoffs. Myself. The first payoff that I was offered was 1.7 million from John Arlett through Ben Stanley. Second payoff was if we allow that to proceed through on the 50 million, they would pay us 1.7 up to a point. And I told them, you’re an idiot. Then their next offer, the last offer was a Ben Stanley, 30 million and the corporation to me, 30 million US dollars if we allow them to be part of the corporation in cash in a bank account offshore.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (29:14 – 29:19)

Did anyone in the CSHD corporate structure pay off any investors?

[Mr. Harris] (29:20 – 29:25)

Negative. Not in our management, our director. Wouldn’t do it.

Wouldn’t agree to it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:26 – 29:26)

Alright.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (29:27 – 29:37)

As far as you know, you’re not aware of any monies being paid out to certain pipe investors for [Rufus: Maybe] one share to four dollars?

[Mr. Harris] (29:37 – 29:40)

[Inaudible] aware of it. Yeah.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (29:40 – 29:41)

Alright, that’s it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:42 – 29:48)

Alright. Thanks, Splat. And don’t be a stranger.

I like your questions.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (29:48 – 29:49)

Thanks a lot, man.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:49 – 29:54)

Alright, bye-bye. So, some interesting questions. I want to take a moment.

[Mr. Harris] (29:54 – 29:56)

Dang, you’re swinging that for home runs there, bud.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (29:56 – 29:58)

He was doing alright, wasn’t he?

[Mr. Harris] (29:59 – 30:02)

You know, you chose to put two good ones in there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:02 – 30:03)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (30:04 – 30:05)

That’s professionalism.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:05 – 30:06)

Now, let me…

[Mr. Harris] (30:06 – 30:08)

I’d have closed [inaudible]?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:08 – 30:40)

Yeah, that’s good, because his intention was his question about receiving any payoffs, and for those that may not have caught that, what I heard, and I need you to clarify this so that I’m not hearing things, but what I thought I heard you say was this, that John Arlett offered you 1.7 million or 1 point something million dollars [Rufus: Correct]. That was the first offer, and then the second offer, John Arlett…

[Mr. Harris] (30:40 – 30:43)

That was the first time I’ve heard of that financing group.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:43 – 30:44)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (30:44 – 30:48)

It came through Mike, Ben, and me, and then it went directly to me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:49 – 30:52)

And he was offering you this money so that he could do what?

[Mr. Harris] (30:52 – 30:56)

Investment into the company if we would allow the 50 million shares to be traded up, [inuadible] up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:57 – 31:02)

Huh. And then the second offer was to Ben Stanley for 30 million dollars.

[Mr. Harris] (31:03 – 31:03)

Correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:04 – 31:05)

Now, that…

[Mr. Harris] (31:05 – 31:08)

They turned from me and went to Ben and started working Ben.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:08 – 31:13)

But isn’t that kind of a slap in the face? So they’re going to give you 1.7 million.

[Mr. Harris] (31:13 – 31:15)

No, no, no. That was the company. It wasn’t to me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:16 – 31:16)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (31:16 – 31:22)

That was to the company. 1.7 million dollars back to the company if they would allow if we issued them shares to the [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:22 – 31:29)

Okay. All right. I was going to say because he’s giving you 1.7, but he’s going to give Ben 30 million. I mean, that’s like…

[Mr. Harris] (31:29 – 31:36)

No, no, no. That was 30 million in cash offer if we proceeded with what John Arlett was originally proposing, which was an airline deal.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:36 – 31:37)

Uh-huh.

[Mr. Harris] (31:37 – 31:48)

Manufacture [???] [Inaudible] an airline. If we would make that our product for funding when they would provide us with in the subsidiary or however it was worked out, 30 million dollars in cash to the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:48 – 31:52)

Wow. Wow. That’s…

That is something.

[Mr. Harris] (31:52 – 31:54)

That’s to fund their deal with the sum of 700 million.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:55 – 31:58)

Yeah. Where was he going to get that kind of money, huh?

[Mr. Harris] (31:59 – 32:08)

They claimed they had it there and the company, wherever it’s from, had it. It was… It was the deal.

That was 48, if I’m not mistaken, over the period.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:09 – 32:16)

That is funny. Let’s see. Let me see if we can get…

[Mr. Harris] (32:16 – 32:17)

You know when I said heads were rolling?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:18 – 32:18)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (32:18 – 32:19)

You know I mean it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:19 – 32:47)

Yeah. You can see that now. Let’s see.

We’re going to go ahead and try to get Pirate’s Quest on next. And so, again, I do appreciate you guys not calling in after Pirate’s Quest. We’re going to go ahead and see if we can get Anthony.

But hold on, Anthony. Let me send you a message. You know, Anthony, hopefully he’s he’s hanging in there.

So, bear with me. We’ve got…

[Mr. Harris] (32:47 – 32:49)

I’m sure everybody’s hanging in there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:49 – 32:50)

Oh, I know.

[Mr. Harris] (32:50 – 32:51)

It’s a pretty interesting show.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:51 – 32:56)

Oh, it is. It is. While we wait for Pirate’s Quest…

[Mr. Harris] (32:56 – 32:59)

I’m sure there’s a lot of people packing their bags right now.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:59 – 33:02)

Packing their bags. Like the country, huh?

[Mr. Harris] (33:02 – 33:04)

Or loading beer raffles.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:05 – 33:05)

Oh.

[Mr. Harris] (33:06 – 33:08)

Uh-oh. They’re coming after me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:08 – 33:17)

That’s… That’s something. All right.

So, we’re going to go ahead and add Pirate’s Quest. Hello, caller. You’re live on the air with Rufus Paul Harris and Subpenny Radio.

Is this Pirate?

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:18 – 33:20)

Ah, yes. This is Trout.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:20 – 33:24)

Okay, Trout. We’ll call you Trout. You did mute the station on your side, right?

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:25 – 33:25)

Yes, I did.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:26 – 33:29)

Okay, perfect. So, you had some questions for Mr. Harris. Go ahead.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:30 – 33:32)

Hello, Mr. Harris. Hi.

[Mr. Harris] (33:32 – 33:34)

Hey, sir. How are you doing?

How may I address you again?

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:35 – 33:38)

My name is Trout, but you can call me Brian.

[Mr. Harris] (33:38 – 33:40)

Brian.

Okay. Thank you, Brian.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:40 – 33:49)

Okay, Mr. Harris. I have a lot of questions to ask, but I’m not going to ask a lot tonight. Before I…

[Mr. Harris] (33:49 – 33:51)

Select the questions.

How many questions do you have?

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:51 – 33:53)

I have about four or five.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:53 – 33:54)

Okay.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (33:54 – 35:05)

But I’m going to keep it short because a lot of people want to get on here tonight, and I think that I would like to give that chance to everyone. But before I begin, I want to talk to you about the shareholders of CSHD, the loyal shareholders. I think you need to know about these people.

These people, a lot of these people trusted you, and many of them, their lives now are in ruin because you failed to keep your promise. You promised $15 a reset by October 1st, 2005. That didn’t happen.

And we get place the blame on a lot of people, but it was your plan, and it failed. And I want to tell you a little bit about some of these people. I’ve been in the PalTalk.

My screen name on PalTalk is Trout. And I’ve, for the seven months that this ordeal has gone on, I’ve got close to a lot of them. And I want to talk to you and share some of these people before I ask you the question about these people, before I ask you the question.

I want you to know- [Rufus: How about-]

[Mr. Harris] (35:05 – 35:37)

you ask me a question, or I share something with you. I know about church that misses money and wants money, so, and I’m very religious.

So there isn’t anything you can tell me about someone and their families and what they went through that I don’t already feel. And I’ve said in the past when I’ve stated that I’m here, I’ll deal with it, I’ll help the ones of you that are not on the NOBO list, not on the company’s books, recover your funds. I’ve addressed that.

I really do not need to be chastised by you.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (35:38 – 35:39)

Well, I…

[Mr. Harris] (35:40 – 35:43)

I deal with these people and I’m working for these people.

[Wrong Number Dialed by Simon] (35:43 – 35:44)

Absolutely.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (35:44 – 36:49)

But you’ve got to know, because you set up a shareholder’s committee to hear the complaints about the shareholders, and unfortunately the complaints weren’t addressed to you, because whatever the reason, the shareholder’s committee didn’t get the views that the shareholders wanted to get to you. And I want you to know, I want you to know about a lady named Estella. She’s on the PalTalk.

She invested in this company so that she could leave money for her grandkids. A person AndThen [???], you met him last time you called. He lost his life savings.

He had to work on the oil rig. And there’s a person named XR8 who her and her husband, they invested their money so that they could get ahead. And there’s a man named Figgy.

There’s a man named Figgy who right now is in financial trouble. He’s in [Simon: Brian?] financial trouble because he believed in you, sir. [Simon: Brian?] And you let him down.

You let him down and you let a lot of people down.

[Mr. Harris] (36:50 – 36:51)

[Simon: Brian, Brian…] And let me help you understand.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:51 – 36:55)

Wait, Rufus, hold on. Hold on, Rufus. Rufus, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (36:55 – 36:59)

Hundreds of millions of dollars to these situations every day.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:59 – 37:00)

Rufus, can you hold on?

[Mr. Harris] (37:00 – 37:01)

And here’s why I am here.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (37:02 – 37:04)

Simon, let him talk.

[Mr. Harris] (37:04 – 37:12)

You can take your opinion and you can put it any way you want.

You can have a big heart for these people, but you don’t have a bigger heart than me, my friend.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (37:12 – 37:52)

Well, sir. Well, sir. I disagree. I disagree with the actions that you have done with not having a lawyer.

Could you not afford a lawyer, sir? Could you not afford a lawyer and not present that lawyer to the SEC? Because I talked to Ms. Black. There’s a transcript of the preliminary hearing on November 7th. That is there. I have seen that transcript and I know what was said in that court case, that preliminary hearing.

You did not have a lawyer. You did not address the claims and you still haven’t addressed the claims.

[Mr. Harris] (37:53 – 38:02)

You definitely have not followed this.

You definitely have not followed this. And your category is talking from…

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (38:02 – 38:46)

I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I have not.

And I tell you, Mr. Harris. I’ll tell you this, sir. If you…

We have to sell this. You can take your files, your query, whatever, to the SEC and you show them exactly what the bonds are, the ownership. The bonds are real. You’re exactly right, sir. The bonds are real, but the ownership is in question.

And Ms. Black made it clear. Clear to me, sir. She made it clear that there are individuals who are contesting the ownership of the bonds. They’re contesting it. There’s proof, documentation. They have given it to the SEC. Proof.

[Mr. Harris] (38:46 – 38:51)

Good. Good. I guess that is in the court documents, is it not?

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (38:52 – 39:43)

Absolutely. We can’t deny it. But also, also Mr. Cooper, Mr. Cooper, the Deutsche Bank is not a contract. And she pointed that out to you. You cannot put in the PR that there’s a contract agreement with Deutsche Bank when you only have a relationship with a Mr. Cooper. Sir, I’m telling you that these things are not a contract. Sir, don’t you cut me off. I will tell you, sir, I am a shareholder, and I have put you, I have, sir, you tried to fool us all. You slipped some mickey into my kool-aid, and you got me drunk once, but you won’t get me drunk again. And I’m telling you, we have enough drunks running this company.

[Mr. Harris] (39:43 – 39:44)

We have a bigger problem.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (39:44 – 39:46)

We have enough drunks running this company.

[Mr. Harris] (39:46 – 39:55)

You have a bigger problem than being slipped a mickey in your kool-aid. A much bigger problem. You have a [inaudible].

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (39:55 – 40:24)

[Inaudible.] [Inaudible] with the rest of the shareholders and a fellow shareholder, where’s the hell is my money? Where has it gone for seven weeks, seven months, when you promised us? And you, you, you, you keep feeding us. You kept telling us there were two weeks that we got proxy, a proxy coming before the company. Where’s the balance? How much money do you have in the balance sheet, sir?

How much money? You can’t tell us that, because you don’t know. You don’t know.

[Mr. Harris] (40:25 – 40:26)

Let me help you here. Let me help you.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (40:26 – 40:38)

You don’t know. Can you tell me how much money we have? As of October, as of October 1st, 2005, Mr. Harris, how much money do we have in the balance sheet?

[Mr. Harris] (40:39 – 40:47)

Sir, let me help you.

You don’t even own real shares. Does that make you feel better? You need to be talking to the person that sold you the real shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (40:48 – 40:48)

Hold on, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (40:49 – 40:52)

And if you can’t understand that, you are a blaming idiot.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (40:53 – 40:54)

Hey, hang on, hang on.

[Mr. Harris] (40:54 – 41:35)

You can blame anything you want to on me. You can point your finger, and you can say I did it. But you know the thing I didn’t do?

Is I didn’t sell you your shares. I didn’t sell you any little [???] shares. So if you’ve got a problem, you want to know where your beef is?

To the individual that sold you the shares. To the person that benefited from what you are claiming. Not the person that laid out in front of everybody and put it in the SEC filing.

Because I will be vindicated. You can take your opinion, and believe it or not, I don’t care. Because [Simon: Okay.] you’re looking in the wrong closet.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (41:36 – 41:58)

Okay, Rufus. Let me just say something real quick. Those of you that were listening, I did disconnect Trout from the call.

Not because I have any problems with what he was saying. Again, I totally appreciate people that are passionate about a situation. Like I told you at the beginning of the call, Rufus, there’s a lot of people that are very upset, very hurt.

[Mr. Harris] (41:58 – 42:08)

I understand it, and I’m ready to deal with it. But I’m going to tell you, I’m going to put it to them in the famous Rufus Paul Harris way. I feel for you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:08 – 42:08)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (42:09 – 42:40)

I understand your pain, and I am your solution. Buy it or not. Go there.

You will see all the facts come out through the system. I don’t care. I’m sorry this happened, but I told you from the beginning.

We put it together. Our company put it together, and you want to blame it on me? Blame it.

That’s why I’m the only one saying about you. I would not allow the other people to be implemented if they come down in a negative mix.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:41 – 42:48)

Right. Okay. Let me actually get Anthony on the line. We’ll circle back to Trout, because he did have some questions.

[Mr. Harris] (42:50 – 42:57)

I don’t think he had no questions. He wanted to get on there and vent. He had his vent.

But, you know, if they will talk, then we can talk.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:57 – 42:58)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (42:59 – 43:01)

The venting stuff … I’m not going out [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:02 – 43:11)

Right. Again, like I say, I have nothing wrong with people being passionate about a situation. It’s tough, and sometimes we just need to step back.

[Mr. Harris] (43:12 – 43:25)

If you want to talk about stuff and bring it up, then put it there. Put your due diligence on stuff that’s public knowledge and will discuss it. Keep your personal feelings out of it.

I have more than you. Trust me. I wouldn’t be here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (43:26 – 44:07)

All right. We’re going to go ahead and go with Anthony. You know Anthony.

Let’s see. We’re trying to get Anthony. Hold on.

See? Other people are trying to beat him to the call. That’s the thing.

And, Anthony, I’m going to actually hold on real quick. Let’s see. Trying to fight these people off.

They said, you want to tackle? We’ll tackle you. That’s what they’re telling me.

Hang on, Anthony. One moment. Let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (44:08 – 44:18)

It better be some pretty good kung fu. 90% of it is never backed up with facts. It’s backed up with blog BS.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:19 – 44:23)

Again, you have to understand. People that lost their life savings…

[Mr. Harris] (44:23 – 44:44)

I’m not talking about the people that lost. I’m talking about these questions that they’re in reference to. I understand it.

And I’m putting it to them again and again and again. Understand. I said this on day one.

We will deal with this. I put it in press releases. People, deal with it.

If you can’t read a press release, it’s your fault.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (44:45 – 44:59)

That’s the one thing that I try to focus on people. Let’s see. Hold on real quick.

Let me get this individual real quick. And we’re going to join this person. Hello, caller.

You are live on Subpenny Radio. Who am I speaking with?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:01 – 45:01)

Hello.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:02 – 45:02)

Yes.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:02 – 45:05)

This is D.D. Clay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:05 – 45:08)

Hey, D.D. Clay. Can you go ahead and mute the station on your end?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:10 – 45:11)

Okay. Hold on just a sec.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:11 – 45:12)

All right. Good.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:15 – 45:17)

Let me pull this up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:20 – 45:30)

All right. You’re with now? [D.D. Clay: Hello?] Yes.

Okay. Good. So you’re live on the air.

We have Rufus Paul Harris, D.D. Clay, and Subpenny Radio. You have some questions for Mr. Harris?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:31 – 45:35)

Yeah. Mr. Harris, how are you? Hello?

[Mr. Harris] (45:36 – 45:37)

Yes, I’m here.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (45:37 – 45:37)

Okay.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:38 – 45:40)

Mr. Harris, I have a question for you.

[Mr. Harris] (45:40 – 45:41)

Go ahead.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:42 – 45:48)

You and I have talked on several occasions.

And, oh, Ernie. No.

[Mr. Harris] (45:50 – 45:50)

Is this Ernie?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:51 – 45:51)

Fine, sir.

[Mr. Harris] (45:52 – 45:53)

Is this Ernie?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (45:54 – 45:55)

How you doing, sir?

[Mr. Harris] (45:55 – 46:00)

Is this Ernie Shorty? Oh, boy, this is going to be interesting.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (46:00 – 46:03)

Do you know anything else about me?

Do you know anything else about me?

[Mr. Harris] (46:04 – 46:05)

Go ahead, Ernie Shorty.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (46:06 – 46:13)

I have a question for you.

Real quick. You mentioned earlier. Pardon me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (46:13 – 46:14)

Go ahead. Go ahead, Ernie.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (46:16 – 46:43)

Um, you mentioned that people who had discussed with you what they wanted to do with either converting their share or receiving their money, you said, bring the paperwork and let’s see. You made a promise to me, and you disappointed me on it, that you were going to have dinner with myself and my wife. Do you remember that?

[Mr. Harris] (46:44 – 47:07)

Yeah, and this was before I found out that you don’t have a wife, Ernie. This was also after you stood in front of individuals, not a shareholder’s meeting, but a shareholder gathering at the farm and sat there and say in front of witnesses and talked about you had a gun to kill somebody with. You are a freaking nut, my friend.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (47:08 – 47:10)

Hang on, hang on, Rufus. Rufus, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (47:10 – 47:17)

You said that you had a gun. And you would have a weapon if I didn’t give you your money back.

You know what?

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (47:17 – 47:18)

Come on.

[Mr. Harris] (47:18 – 47:22)

Dude, I’m publicly announcing you are a gangster and an asshole.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (47:22 – 47:23)

Hey, Rufus, hang on.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (47:23 – 47:29)

You know what, Rufus? And I will tell you, you are a thief. And you guys, Ben, you contacted me.

[Mr. Harris] (47:31 – 47:54)

Dude, nobody contacted you. Nobody contacted you. You filed a bill for funding. You filed a rap bill for funding that was involved with what was just seized by the FBI in Atlanta.

They just seized a hot black market CD. And some of your rap crap was associated to that black marketing in Atlanta.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (47:54 – 48:00)

No, it wasn’t, Rufus.

And that wasn’t. So, you know what? That’s a lie.

Now, what I want to talk to you about is…

[Mr. Harris] (48:00 – 48:02)

I got the package. I got the package that you wanted funded.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:02 – 48:02)

Hang on, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (48:02 – 48:04)

I got the package that you asked to be funded.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (48:04 – 48:10)

Well, you can file…

What I want to discuss with you real clear right now is…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (48:10 – 48:11)

[Inaudible]. Rufus.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (48:13 – 48:19)

You weren’t going to convert our shares. You said you weren’t going to convert them. You remember telling me that?

[Mr. Harris] (48:19 – 48:29)

Listen to me. Listen to me. I wouldn’t be worried about my shares if I was you.

I would not be worried about my shares. I would be worried about charity threats.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (48:31 – 48:33)

Nobody ever threatened you, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (48:33 – 48:34)

About you being a gangster.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (48:35 – 48:38)

And now, the thing I have to say to you is…

[Mr. Harris] (48:38 – 48:39)

That’s what you need to worry about [Simon: Rufus.]

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (48:39 – 48:46)

And we would like to get our money back. And you have told these people constant lies. And I’m aware of them.

[Mr. Harris] (48:46 – 49:01)

Dude. You come to me… …and you come to me talking ridiculous crap. You are so full of shit. You come to me talking $300,000. Sambra Dabbs [inaudible] and all of this shit. And you were funding… Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:02 – 49:11)

And he told me he’s not going to convert it. And he told me he’s not going to give me my money back.

And he has also said… …that if you want to go on public record…

[Mr. Harris] (49:11 – 49:11)

Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:11 – 49:20)

[Inaudible.] [Inaudible.] It has nothing to do with the fact that I bought the first stock. And I loaned you money. I loaned…

[Mr. Harris] (49:20 – 49:22)

Dude. You didn’t loan nobody money.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:22 – 49:23)

I would like you to get my money back.

[Mr. Harris] (49:23 – 49:27)

You were coming up with this crazy conversion… Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:27 – 49:29)

I have the paperwork signed…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:29 – 49:30)

Alright.

Hang on.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:30 – 49:31)

I have the paperwork signed…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:31 – 49:31)

Hang on.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:31 – 49:42)

…that I wired $30,000 into Conversion Solutions’ account. And you will not even give it back or convert it. And you have told me you’re not going to do either.

[Mr. Harris] (49:44 – 49:46)

You have done… Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:48 – 49:50)

If I get done with this…

[Mr. Harris] (49:50 – 49:53)

Dude. …and I get done with this… …and then I get this…

Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:54 – 49:57)

…whatsoever. And when…

[Mr. Harris] (49:57 – 49:58)

Dude.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (49:58 – 49:58)

You…

[Mr. Harris] (49:58 – 50:01)

Dude, what? I’m coming to…

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:01 – 50:07)

Dude. And you told me… You said… You asked me… [Rufus: Don’t worry about…] …my life on the phone… [Rufus: Don’t worry about…]

[Mr. Harris] (50:07 – 50:09)

Don’t worry about nobody but me.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:10 – 50:12)

And I told you… Hey, listen.

[Mr. Harris] (50:12 – 50:14)

If you call my home again…

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:14 – 50:14)

I told you specifically…

[Mr. Harris] (50:14 – 50:19)

Listen to me. Listen to me, [inaudible]. If you call my home again…

…and you threaten my family…

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:20 – 50:21)

Nobody’s threatening anybody. I told you…

[Mr. Harris] (50:21 – 50:22)

I will have you arrested.

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:22 – 50:23)

I told you…

[Mr. Harris] (50:23 – 50:25)

I will have you arrested…

[D. D. Clay (Guest Caller – a.k.a Ernie Shorty)] (50:25 – 50:25)

…[inaudible]…

[Mr. Harris] (50:25 – 50:33)

…in 10 minutes of that phone conversation. Do you understand me? And in 10 minutes, I will have your ass in handcuffs.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:33 – 50:37)

Okay. Hang on, Rufus. Hang on.

That… That… That was getting a little heated there.

[Mr. Harris] (50:38 – 50:40)

If it’s getting heated… …I’m staying in practice again.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:40 – 50:47)

Well, hang on. Listen. Listen.

You know, I need you to do me a favor. Okay. Because…

You know… Um…

[Mr. Harris] (50:47 – 50:48)

[Inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:49 – 50:54)

Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Rufus. Rufus. Rufus. Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (50:55 – 50:55)

Dude. Where are you? You in left field.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (50:56 – 50:58)

Rufus.

Hey. Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (50:58 – 50:59)

Come on. [worked up] [Simon: [whistles]]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:03 – 51:15)

Rufus. Rufus. Rufus.

Do I need to hang up on you? C’mon, I don’t want to hang up on you, man. I don’t want to hang up on you, man.

Yeah, I know. Alright, c’mon. I get a little excited there now.

You do get excited.

[Mr. Harris] (51:15 – 51:16)

It ain’t anger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:16 – 51:21)

Listen. I know it’s not anger. Listen to me.

Alright. I need you to do a better job…

[Mr. Harris] (51:21 – 51:22)

I get crazy when I deal with stupidity.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:22 – 51:29)

Hang on. I need you to do me a favor. We’re going to bring Anthony on next.

I need you to let the people finish talking… …whether it’s right or wrong.

[Mr. Harris] (51:29 – 51:34)

I ain’t gonna let him sit there and say bullshit, you understand? And if you got a problem with that, then cut me off.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:34 – 51:36)

Rufus, we’ll get your turn to rebuttal.

[Mr. Harris] (51:36 – 51:46)

No, it ain’t I’m gonna get my turn. He’s not gonna sit there and say bullshit. And next time, I’ll tell you to kill the call.

If you don’t kill the call, hang up. I’m not gonna sit there and listen to bullshit.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (51:46 – 52:08)

Alright, hold on, hold on. Let’s see, let’s see. There was something going on with Anthony.

Say that again. Let’s see. We’re gonna go ahead and get Anthony on the phone.

Again, the thing is, if you want people to hear, and I don’t know if that’s what you don’t want, maybe you don’t want people to hear what they’re saying.

[Mr. Harris] (52:09 – 52:13)

I don’t care what they say. I’m telling you, I’m not gonna sit there and listen to lies.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:13 – 52:14)

Alright, hang on, hang on.

[Mr. Harris] (52:14 – 52:33)

That’s what I’m telling you. When I say you’ve got the butt to lie, and he knows it, he’s doing it publicly. He’s actually feeding to the myth in the market.

The show is becoming part of lies and fraud. Because these people are allowed to get out there and state facts, and people take it as facts.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:33 – 52:33)

Hang on a minute.

[Mr. Harris] (52:33 – 52:40)

And that’s why I’m staying in silence. When I say they’re talking up their butt, that’s our cue that it’s over.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:40 – 52:43)

Okay, now listen, we’ve got Anthony on the line.

[Mr. Harris] (52:43 – 52:45)

Last communication to you, Simon, concerning that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:46 – 52:47)

Okay. Now, Anthony?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (52:48 – 52:49)

Yes, sir?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (52:49 – 53:01)

You’ve heard the last two calls. They’ve been both pretty passionate. Do me a favor.

If Rufus starts talking over you, don’t interject, don’t talk over him. Let him wind down, and then I’ll let you talk, alright?

[Mr. Harris] (53:02 – 53:05)

Oh, you can bite my butt. That goes for you too, okay?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (53:06 – 53:07)

You know I’m respectful.

[Mr. Harris] (53:07 – 53:17)

If you start rattling on, I’m going to say he’s talking out his butt, and Simon, you don’t kill the call, you’re responsible for disrespecting him. Go ahead.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:18 – 53:19)

Alright, Anthony, what do you have for us tonight?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (53:20 – 53:22)

How are you all doing this evening?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (53:22 – 53:23)

Alright, good.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (53:24 – 54:14)

Mr. Harris, I wanted to make a quick statement, then I’ll go into a question. I mean, you know how I feel about everything. Don’t trust anyone. I want to let everything play out, and I’m a man, I’m willing to admit if I made a bad decision or if I made a good decision.

So I’m just sitting back and watching everything play out. But I wanted to say this. Not this last caller, I don’t know who that guy is, but I’ll say for one, Trout, when he calls, he’s passionate.

And, you know, a lot of people here, we built bonds and Pal Talk, and, you know, we just got to know each other, so he’s just passionate. And, you know, it’s a lot of people that are hurting. I’m not saying it’s your fault.

[Mr. Harris] (54:16 – 54:18)

I understand, dude, I really do.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (54:19 – 55:26)

But the only thing that made me mad about the entire thing when you were talking to Trout, I understand he was passionate, he gets excited, but he was just getting out his frustration for a lot of people, whether if it’s your fault or not your fault. You just have a lot of people that were hurting, and that’s the problem that I had with this whole scenario of where we are right now.

I’m not saying this is not the best thing for the market in the long run. I can’t read the future, so I can’t say that. But what I am saying, man, it’s sad when I had to have people help me to try to get things in order because of my decision.

It wasn’t no one’s fault but my own, and I’m willing to understand that, and I’m a man, I made my choices. But, I mean, at some point, I mean, you know you’re going to hear people who are going to be a little irate with you. And so, I mean, as a CEO, I thank you.

You’re a good guy. That’s why I listened to what you had to say. But you’ve just got to be a little bit more compassionate in my opinion.

But my question is…

[Mr. Harris] (55:26 – 56:32)

My … me being here, Anthony, is why I get upset with that. Just for me, being in the situation of CEO of the Front Haul shareholders and putting this and going through this is where I have the problem and the person that’s attacking me not understanding.

I have disclosed the majority of this, and as it went along, people were going, this is actually happening. This is reality. Go back to the old Subpenny radio talk.

Go back to things that I posted to people. And look at them. Go back to the press releases.

It’s been laid out. And that’s why I get passionate about, look, I put this on day one. I’m here for the long haul.

I signed my name on this stuff under [inaudible] main office, the SEC and I’m in a federal court. I have not perpetrated any fraud, and I’m going to be there to help every last one of you get your money. I’ve said that.

And that’s why I say when people say, well, would you buy it? If the idiots are going to sell it to me, you better believe it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:32 – 56:37)

Okay. Let’s get to Anthony’s quick question because he said he had to stay on the question.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (56:38 – 56:42)

Right. Mr. Harris, now I was just listening to you.

[Mr. Harris] (56:42 – 56:44)

I apologize.

I’ve painted some [inaudible] on myself.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (56:44 – 57:26)

No, that’s cool. You know, I, for one, still stand by my decision that I made, and it’s not up for me to say if everything was handled the right way. I believe it was, but I don’t know all the rules, so I’m not going to get into that. But I want to know, based on, I don’t know if you can get into all the details.

I don’t want you to if you can’t. But just asking, what, how do you feel that will be in our best interest to, if you’re thinking about merging with a company that only has $52 million in assets? I’m just trying to see how would that benefit the shareholders at this point.

[Mr. Harris] (57:26 – 57:28)

Why I’m trying to put that together for the shareholders?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (57:29 – 57:29)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (57:29 – 57:32)

And what would be the benefit to the shareholders?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (57:32 – 57:32)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (57:34 – 58:45)

A company trading with assets with a prospectus filed at the same time as a proxy that every last shareholder on record, on books, voted on and approved. A new movement and a future release of capital explained in the investments of profits.

All related fields. It will be an asset management field. It will be a different commodity, and it will be seen as it is put out in [inaudible].

As it is presented to you in the proxy. You will look at it. You will vote.

You will make your own decision from a fresh point. The fraud stuff, if any is found from any party will be prosecuted. Count on it.

It’s in federal court. I hope every single agency, and I said it from day one out there, is watching this. I remember a phone call with Simon. Simon said, our largest listening area is Washington, D.C. [Simon: Yeah, that was whenever the SEC got all over it.] Right after the SEC. Immediately after I came back from the SEC hearing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (58:45 – 58:46)

Yep.

[Mr. Harris] (58:46 – 58:48)

That was the largest hearing in Washington.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (58:49 – 58:52)

And I wasn’t [inaudible]. I’m sorry.

[Mr. Harris] (58:52 – 58:54)

I just said good. That’s all I pointed out.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (58:54 – 58:54)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (58:55 – 59:28)

I want everybody to understand. This is, yeah, it doesn’t look too good. And if you lost funds, what you’re actually saying to me is you sold.

Or you’re telling me you got yourself into a personal financial investment, and you made an investment decision to buy into this because of whatever reason, me, the press releases, the company, everything I told you … to hold. Get hard copy certs. What did you do?

Did you sell any? Did you sell at a loss? Is that what you’re saying to me, Anthony?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (59:29 – 59:35)

Oh, no. I’m ready to make wallpaper out of my certs if I don’t get my money. I have them here in my house now.

[Mr. Harris] (59:36 – 59:43)

Okay. And so you’re telling me you made an investment decision that affects your personal income situation.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (59:43 – 59:44)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (59:44 – 59:46)

What did you do? Did you leverage something?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (59:47 – 1:00:16)

No.

You know, what my problem was, you know, and I’m working on the job, and, you know, I’m up at late nights on Subpenny Radio listening to you speak, and, you know, it was my fault. I’m not focusing on the things that I should have been focusing on. Sales manager at a company, not doing what I’m supposed to be doing, not doing enough at work.

I say that to keep income coming in because I believed things were going to happen. And…

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:17 – 1:00:52)

And [inaudible] I did too. I did too.

I put everything in press releases. I put everything. I did not put one disclaimer on it.

What was my comment when asked about disclaimers? I don’t believe it. If you have to make a disclaimer, I will not make a [inaudible] statement.

I will make an actual document. We will only put in PRs, stuff that are actual facts, not projected futures that we’re going to make ten [???] trillion dollars. That PR went out and was on the deal with the timber company, with Mike and them, for whatever reason.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:00:53 – 1:00:53)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:53 – 1:01:08)

We agreed to take that in if it was all proved out to be valid and go from there. That’s the only thing that’s come out that had any potential revenue generation or a contract that could not be liquidated.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:01:09 – 1:01:37)

And I want to add this last statement, Mr. Harris, you know, like I say, I’ve been trading stocks for a while, but you know, I never did anything like this, but I will say this, you know, one minute … I have a hard time with … one minute… You say, [inaudible] is a good guy. Then the next time you’re saying that this person is part of some bigger conspiracy.

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:38 – 1:01:48)

[Anthony: And you know-] Who? Name me a person that I’m saying is part of a conspiracy? You’ve asked me a question. If you’ve got a conspiracy…

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:01:48 – 1:02:00)

No, not from what I’m talking about now, but one minute you’re saying that most of the information that John Arlett says, he’s on the money. And you know, you say that all.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:00 – 1:02:17)

I was asking, that was my answer.

Most of what he’s putting out on the HSM was cut was, was on. I was just worried where he was getting it. That’s why [inaudible].

[Anthony: And then-]. I’m just, where are you getting it? I’m not saying John is a bad person. I’m just saying like, I usually work.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:02:18 – 1:02:26)

That’s the way, that’s the way I took it from what you said. So I, I won’t, if I’m wrong for taking that way, I apologize, but that’s the way it is.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:27 – 1:02:40)

I presented you facts, and you took it how you wanted to.

And that’s how … that’s it. That’s why I tell everybody. [Anthony: Right.] I’ll present you with the facts.

I’ll answer the questions with a hundred percent facts. I’m going to be a smart ass every now and then, throw some sarcasm in there, but it’s just all.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:02:41 – 1:03:08)

Cause I will say this.

People like James G and my [inaudible], like I say, I’m not into the rule books that exactly if everything happened the right way, I don’t know that. So I’m not going to get into that. But what I will say, they were trying to make the right decision to try to get things moved past this point.

Whether it moved past this- [Rufus: You are apart of the shareholders committee…].

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:08 – 1:03:09)

Are you not?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:03:09 – 1:03:11)

Yes, yes, sir.

I was. Yes, sir.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:12 – 1:03:21)

So don’t say [inaudible], [Anthony: No, but what I’m saying is-] [inaudible] you were part of the decision to make [Anthony: Right-]

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:03:22 – 1:03:57)

That’s why I told you when I started the conversation- [Rufus: If you as an individual- [inaudible]], Mr. Harris, Mr. Harris, you’re going off the point. I said that from the start. I said, I stand behind the decision that I made from the start when I first got on the call.

That was the first thing I said, but when I’m talking to you- [Rufus: Is that, is that saying you may, you were one of the members or shareholders that voted?] Yes. Mr. Harris, [inaudible] decision that I made, I was one of the people who voted. I don’t, I don’t take that back. [Rufus: One of the [inaudible] few.] Say that again.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:58 – 1:03:59)

One of the [inaudible] few.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:04:00 – 1:04:01)

We can’t hear you.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:04:01 – 1:04:14)

I was one of those people. So I don’t take that back. And I still stand behind that decision.

When I have a company where we’re talking about seven to … $7.2 billion in bonds. And now- [Rufus: Guess what?]

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:14 – 1:04:42)

Well, guess what?

That says YOU were directly responsible from the day you made that vote for the activity in the corporation … That has happened today. You sir, what every each and every shareholder that voted, the [inaudible] few voted in that activity and did it from the stock price of that vote.

And the first [inaudible] to today, YOU are liable for that activity.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:04:43 – 1:04:53)

Hey, I have a problem with that because it’s a lot of things that you’re liable for that. [Inaudible].

So I can point fingers. I can say the same thing.

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:54 – 1:05:10)

I’m not pointing a finger, I’m just telling you, I mean- [Anthony: Inaudible]. I’ll be honest with you. I’ll be honest with you. I’ve been a smart ass and I was pointed out to all these shareholders after listening to this, that, oh, wait, these people voted and said this. And put these PRs out.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:05:14 – 1:05:32)

That’s nothing new. Everybody already knows that. So you’re not saying anything that’s new.

There’s a lot of people. There’s a lot of people. [Simon: Rufus, let him speak.] There’s a lot of people out here that might not know that you promised you were going to get a lawyer, but you didn’t get a lawyer. Did you?

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:33 – 1:05:38)

How do you know that?

Do you know that? You know, that is the fact that I don’t have a lawyer.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:05:38 – 1:05:42)

Unless you were lying.

You said you didn’t have one when we asked- [Rufus: Did I say that?]

[Mr. Harris] (1:05:42 – 1:05:50)

I actually said, I was not going to comment on any status of the corporation at this time concerning the legal filing and who will be making them and who, and everything in there-

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:05:50 – 1:06:17)

So you said that you said that you said that tonight, when we asked you, when we formed the shareholder committee, you said you were going to meet with someone in Washington, DC. And when you came back … [Rufus: [Inaudible].] Hey, right. Whether you did, I don’t know.

Sure … not … But when you came- [Rufus: Actually, they came to me, but go ahead.] You, you made the decision.

You said you had no lawyer at this time. That was your [Rufus: [Inaudible] was the problem with you.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:17 – 1:06:21)

That’s the people that got on the phone with John Arlett and said, put up or shut up.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:06:22 – 1:06:29)

No, no, Mr. Harris. If you want to tell the truth, like it is- [Rufus: You [inaudible] $200,000 loan.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:29 – 1:06:40)

You [inaudible] $200,000 loan…

somebody brought up early night? That didn’t, [Anthony: Do you, do you want to-], when Dwayne Woods says, Hey, you want to do something? Hiring, hire this SEC firm.

[Inaudible] we’re sitting here talking to?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:06:41 – 1:06:45)

No. Do you want to tell the truth of how it actually …

happen?

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:45 – 1:06:49)

That, that exactly is. God is my witness, my friend.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:06:49 – 1:06:52)

Bro-[Inaudible]. [Inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:53 – 1:06:57)

And not how you heard it, [Anthony: Mr. Harris-], but he wasn’t a part of it.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:06:58 – 1:06:58)

Hold on.

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:58 – 1:06:59)

[Inaudible] heard it [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:06:59 – 1:07:03)

All right. Hang on. Hang on. Rufus, hang on.

[Mr. Harris] (1:07:03 – 1:07:03)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:04 – 1:07:28)

[Anthony: Phone is breaking up.] Yeah. Anthony, let me ask you a quick question. So, you know, just a lot of people already know this, but just so that I’m clear and any new listeners that don’t know the, the drama behind the stock, at, at the point of the vote, you were a member of the shareholder committee and you voted “Yes” to remove Rufus Paul Harris and replace with, uh, John Arlett. Is that right?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:07:28 – 1:07:29)

That’s correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:07:29 – 1:07:41)

Okay. Now that, that meeting, um, that was a separate meeting than the first meeting where the press release had a committee meeting on Saturday. Is that right?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:07:42 – 1:08:34)

Right. This was a, the, the meeting to vote Mr. Harris out was a whole week late. I mean, an entire week later after we waited to see exactly what’s going on.

The shareholder committee, some people had ideas or some people had ideas as far as Mr. Um, um, Harris trying to sign off. I’ll say this. John Arlett had a market maker that he said, or he claimed that he had a contract with was ready to go.

Mr. Harris wanted to meet with the lawyer to make sure that it wouldn’t be any problems with, with any interference in that. So when it came time to hear about, he came back and he said, not at this time, but, um, I would get with you tomorrow [Simon: Right.] when it came time for him to get with us tomorrow, we’d never heard anything.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:34 – 1:08:34)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:34 – 1:08:47)

[Anthony: Inaudible.] Let me, let me help you here. Let me help you. [Simon: Rufus.] It was actually a letter.

I told you to put everyone to put in writing. What was the email and the letter that I received? Was you part of drafting that letter?

Or do you have a copy of that letter?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:08:48 – 1:08:58)

I don’t, I don’t have a copy of the letter, but I remember- [Rufus: Let me help you … Go get the copy of that letter, inform yourself, and then get the copy of my response in writing.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:59 – 1:09:34)

Stamp sealed on the court seal who the individual that addressed that letter to me.

Under what legal authority are you asking me this question that is considered as insider information. And you have no authority to ask it. Go back to that.

And then. You go and do this. You had your prerogative.

You did it. I wanted everyone to see it. Now, whether YOU are a victim of the conversation of that situation or not, it’s to be seen.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:35 – 1:09:36)

And let me, let me say something.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:38 – 1:09:42)

You are a … Were those conversations ever recorded?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:09:44 – 1:09:48)

Um, if I’m, if I’m correct on, I think it was recorded.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:49 – 1:09:54)

Is it, is it possible for me to get recording? Can you get a recording for me?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:09:54 – 1:09:58)

I can’t get it.

The chairman of that…

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:58 – 1:10:05)

And you, so that was an attorney for the shareholder committee that I can send a letter to and request a copy of that?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:10:06 – 1:10:07)

Say that again.

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:07 – 1:10:19)

Can you provide me… with an attorney or an SEC firm, representing the shareholders committee that I can contact and ask that information?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:10:20 – 1:10:25)

Mr. Harris, that’s a good question. Why don’t you ask the person who you put in charge of the chairman?

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:27 – 1:10:33)

[Simon: He’s no longer in the committee-] You’re one of the members. You were part of the decision-making.

I’m a, I thought I was actually one of the beneficial owners that made the decision, sir.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:10:34 – 1:10:48)

Sure. I was one of the ones who voted on it, but I’m no longer part of the shareholder committee.

So if the person who you put in charge is the person who you should make a request with… [Rufus: So you were quote unquote, one of the beneficiary owners.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:10:49 – 1:10:52)

And that’s how I’m addressing as quote, unquote, a beneficiary owner. [Inaudible.]

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:10:52 – 1:10:57)

And I couldn’t get it for you.

You didn’t understand that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10:58 – 1:10:58)

Hang on.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:10:58 – 1:11:00)

I don’t know if I can make it any plainer than that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:01 – 1:11:25)

Hang on, hang on real quick, Anthony. Now. And also you, Rufus, let me, let me ask this question.

So we believe that the conversations, you know, the very first ones on a Saturday and also the one that actually resulted in Rufus being removed by majority vote, whatever, those calls were probably recorded. You know, you, you also said that you were a member.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:25 – 1:11:28)

Well- [inaudible]. And I bet that something happened and they disappeared.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:29 – 1:11:34)

Well, I wouldn’t be surprised to that either, but this is, this is what I’m asking, not only Anthony, but anybody else that’s listening.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:34 – 1:11:35)

My freedom.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:36 – 1:11:53)

But here, here’s the thing that I’m willing to do, you know, [Anthony: What’s that?] is maybe someone, you know, cause you guys, you know, still in contact with each other. You guys network, you know, you guys form friendships and so forth over this stock. Reach out to whoever might know how to get it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:53 – 1:11:55)

Oh, don’t tiptoe around quick.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:55 – 1:11:56)

Give me a copy.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:56 – 1:11:58)

Go straight to the damn point.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:58 – 1:11:59)

Yeah. Let’s go ahead.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:59 – 1:12:34)

You came over here and, and you were asking questions and you, and it gets to a point that you were part of a beneficial owner in this situation. Speaking from previous quote unquote insider. [Anthony: Right.] And you were free to get insider information at that time via the shareholder committee. [Anthony: Right.]

And all I wanted to do is, my advice to you is get an attorney at this point. Really … get with everybody on that shareholder committee at that time. That’s my advice.

And call them all and get an attorney.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:12:35 – 1:12:42)

Mr. Harris, first of all- [Rufus: If you’re not concerned with it, don’t worry about it.] Thank you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:46 – 1:12:50)

You there? Hang on. Hang on Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:51 – 1:13:02)

Do you recall the comment you made when you said that you were part of it? And I made a comment or I lied. You’re actually accusing me of lying by saying it wasn’t a fact.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:13:03 – 1:13:04)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:04 – 1:13:08)

You don’t even have the facts. You mean what I say about- [Anthony: Mr. Harris…]

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:13:08 – 1:13:11)

Just because you say it doesn’t make it mean it’s the truth.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:12 – 1:13:18)

You don’t even have the communications between the shareholder committee. You ain’t even seen the communications.

You heard it third party.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:13:19 – 1:13:23)

Mr. Harris, you lied to me directly. I asked you a question, Mr. Harris.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:24 – 1:13:24)

Did [inaudible]?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:13:27 – 1:13:38)

So I’m not basing it on the information. I asked you something.

I asked you a question. If you were going [Rufus: Then just sue me.] to do something. Say that again.

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:39 – 1:13:39)

Just sue me.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:13:42 – 1:14:17)

[Simon: He’s asking to just sue him.] I did not come on here to sue you. I came on here to ask you questions.

You don’t like the answers that I give you or the statements that I make that you get to feel. I never did anything. But did I say anything about suing you? So why even bring it up? [Simon: Okay.] That means you have something to hide. I’m not getting upset. Whatever decision I make, I’m a man enough to stick by the good and the bad and the ugly.

I mean, I don’t have a problem with it. I just hope you could do the same. That’s all I ask.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:17 – 1:14:19)

Anthony, Anthony, let me ask you this.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:14:19 – 1:14:20)

Yes, sir.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:20 – 1:14:22)

Reach out to the folks that you know.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:14:23 – 1:14:23)

Yes, sir.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:23 – 1:16:19)

See if they can give me a copy of all the conversations. And, uh, yeah know, I’ll listen to them.

We’ll play them. We’ll make them available for download in the podcast, you know? I was not part of those conversations.

It’d be enlightening to me. It’s like, wow. Because I think this is what happened.

You always have someone take a look at the same movie or the same picture, and two, three, four different people walk away with different impressions. So I think it’s possible that if you try to think about this, this is what I think may have happened. Again, I’m not trying to give an answer to the situation.

But a lot of the shareholders were upset, even back some time ago. Because as a lot of the other callers have said, August was supposed to be the reset and all this other stuff. A lot of things were delayed.

And so people became impatient. They thought, okay, well, my money would be – I’d be sitting good in summer. I’d be sitting good by Christmas.

And here we are, New Year’s, nothing’s happening. So John Arlett enters the picture and says, well, you know, all we’ve got to do – and this is what’s always been said – all we’ve got to do is get market makers to quote the stock. And everything will be back to normal.

So why isn’t Rufus doing anything? Rufus is not doing anything. That’s what everyone’s saying about Rufus.

And John comes onto the scene and says, oh, you know what? I can get a market maker to agree in 30 minutes or less or two days. And so people think, well, wow, John, can you really do it?

Yeah. So a lot of, I guess, shareholders that want to get out of the stock, they say, yeah, John is the man. He can make things happen.

But there’s a disconnect between John and Rufus. And so people don’t care what the details are. They just want their money now.

They want it yesterday. And so I think a lot of people were just – [Anthony: No, I can tell you, see, that’s one of the differences about me.]

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:16:20 – 1:16:23)

Like I told you, I made my decision and I still stick with it.

[Brian (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Trout)] (1:16:23 – 1:16:23)

Right.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:16:23 – 1:17:13)

But that’s different because some of the things that they proposed I agreed with. Some of them I didn’t. And like I say, I don’t trust nobody.

And I’m glad I feel that way. If you ask anybody, that’s a motto that’s sticking out with everybody because you don’t know who to believe in this. And even when we put Mr. Arlett into position, I still don’t trust him either. But we were hoping that he could help get us out of the situation that we were in a lot quicker. And that was the reason that we made that decision. But whether if it’s a bad decision or a good decision, like I said, I stick with the decision

I made. But if it turns out he’s not doing his job, if it came upon me to make the decision again, I would make the decision again.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:13 – 1:17:13)

Right.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:14 – 1:17:15)

There’s nothing wrong with that.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (1:17:15 – 1:17:16)

So do me a favor.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:16 – 1:17:25)

You’re looking at it wrong. You really, really are looking at it wrong. You’re looking at it whether it was a good or a bad situation.

And I’m trying to get you to look at it as a legal situation.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:27 – 1:17:29)

I understand that, Mr. Harris. But what can I do?

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:30 – 1:17:31)

I’m trying to get you to look at it.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:31 – 1:17:32)

I understand that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:32 – 1:17:36)

I’m being hard-ass about it, but I’m really being helpful.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:36 – 1:17:44)

Mr. Harris, what didn’t you understand about what I said? I said, okay, I made the decision. Can I change the decision right now?

Can I change it?

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:46 – 1:17:48)

No. Look at it as a legal decision.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:49 – 1:17:49)

I understand that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:49 – 1:17:56)

When you make a legal decision, and that can be happening in a public company, that’s outside the legal ramifications.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:17:56 – 1:17:58)

I understand that, Mr. Harris.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:58 – 1:18:37)

Let’s say I own 51 percent of the company, and I call an emergency board meeting, and I want to get a few selected individuals to vote on what you do and say I have the majority.

There’s ramifications. There’s legal ramifications to that. I was asked the question from individuals.

We had the [inaudible]. What’s your opinion on this? Just step back and watch it unfold.

That was my comment. I think you need to step back and watch it unfold. At a point, it will be indisputable, and … as to where and who’s the ringleader.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:18:39 – 1:18:56)

But, Mr. Harris, if you ask me, if I can make this statement, and I’ll say to some people, you claim to know that you know this guy might be a good guy or a bad guy, but if you ask me, my model really sticks out. You don’t know who you can trust in this.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:56 – 1:19:22)

I agree with you.

I don’t trust anybody, Anthony. I don’t. I’m the same as you.

I don’t trust anyone. The only person I trust in this field is Ben Stanley, who I have worked with for years. And if Ben Stanley did something against me, I just won’t be able to buy it.

It’s not something my mind can comprehend. Do you understand that? I have that much faith in Ben Stanley, so that’s the only thing that I have in it.

Anyone else, I do not trust.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:19:23 – 1:19:44)

Mr. Harris. [Rufus: Under no circumstances, but I will deal with them for benefit of the shareholders.] I’ll say this.

I don’t know where we go from here. All I say is, all I can do is just sit back and ask. Oh, that’s the question I wanted to ask you.

I’m sorry. Whatever happened to the NOBO lists on October the 16th?

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:45 – 1:19:46)

Oh, I got it.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:19:47 – 1:19:48)

So you have it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:49 – 1:20:00)

Oh, yeah. The actual CD.

The first one, the 106, was turned over to, at the shareholders meeting, there’s multiple pictures of it, if you recall, posted on the Internet.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:00 – 1:20:01)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:01 – 1:20:06)

I’ve got the CD. It’s there for me. It’s standing there holding it up.

With my cowboy hat. Like a rainy day in Georgia.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:07 – 1:20:07)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:08 – 1:20:13)

And they were posted. That’s the original one, and that was the exact time I handed it to Mike Alexander.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:14 – 1:20:16)

Okay.

That’s good.

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:16 – 1:20:18)

Now, I’ve held the second one.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:18 – 1:20:18)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:19 – 1:20:24)

It has been backed up, and it’s in a very safe keeping.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:26 – 1:20:42)

Okay. That’s good to know. And let me ask you this, as far as, you know, because I know it’s a lot of people who have sold since the 16th.

Is there any way to make sure that those people who sold after the 16th are still going to be entitled to…

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:43 – 1:20:44)

100%.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:20:44 – 1:20:44)

Okay. [Simon: If- [inaudible]]

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:44 – 1:21:18)

It comes down to it, the majority of the people that actually bought and sold bought into illegal shares. Do you understand? They were victims of illegal share transactions.

You were not trading… If you hold your certificate in your hand on the NOBO list, good. I said that from day one.

If you’re not on it, please contact the office with your name, the broker’s firm you bought your shares from. And photographic or a piece of your account showing the transaction. And that was how it went down.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:21:19 – 1:21:31)

And, Mr. Harris, can I ask you one more question about… You know, a lot of people are going through things here, and I know you’re aware of that. But whatever happened to the $900 million in escrow?

[Mr. Harris] (1:21:34 – 1:21:54)

It was staying there in the Bank of Europe[???], right along with the credit facility. For the $5.5 billion transaction set up, signed with a contract and fingerprint and passports of a transaction between the Central Bank of Venezuela and the National Bank of Panama[???].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:21:54 – 1:22:16)

Let me ask you this, Anthony. [Anthony: Yes sir.] Now, at one point, you know, back before we got to where we are, one of the options of the merger agreement was option C, where the company could actually buy out everyone’s shares for $15 a share. And that was kind of like the ace up the sleeve.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:16 – 1:22:17)

What did I tell everyone?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:17 – 1:22:18)

Well…

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:18 – 1:22:25)

Do you not remember me coming out and saying the SEC told me that if we were to draw down on the credit facility, it would still be perpetrated as fraud?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:26 – 1:22:26)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:26 – 1:22:28)

Because ownership’s in question?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:28 – 1:22:29)

Right, but that’s drawing…

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:29 – 1:22:40)

Whether or not it was in our bank account. Whether or not… It all cleared, all security transactions authorities, including the SEC, it would be perpetrated as fraud.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:41 – 1:22:46)

Okay, now Rufus, let me ask you this. The $900 million that Anthony just asked you about…

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:46 – 1:22:48)

Do you remember me telling you that, Anthony, in the shareholder meeting?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:22:48 – 1:22:50)

Yes, I remember that. Yes, sir.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:50 – 1:22:54)

Do you remember that was what I led off with? I just got off the phone with the SEC, and this is what happened.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:54 – 1:22:56)

Okay, but let me ask you this, Rufus. So that-

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:22:57 – 1:23:01)

Cause we didn’t understand at first until you gave us the explanation.

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:02 – 1:23:11)

That’s exactly how I opened it up. And y’all come back at me demanding that I hire a market maker, and I responded illegally.

[Inaudible] had no authority to demand.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:11 – 1:23:19)

Okay, so let me ask you this, Rufus. That money that was in escrow, is that money cash? It’s credit facility.

Okay, so it’s credit facility.

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:19 – 1:23:30)

That is credit facility’s regular [???] dollar amount. We had voted by the Board of Directors to set aside $900 million for the option of a cash out under B, under the merger agreement.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:31 – 1:23:31)

Okay, but the only…

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:31 – 1:23:32)

That is what was put in the file.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:32 – 1:23:34)

Okay, so the only way…

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:34 – 1:23:42)

It was not cash escrow for the shareholders, blah, blah, blah. It was agreed. It was a required legal transaction by the board at that particular time, according to the merger agreement.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:23:43 – 1:23:44)

Okay, so…

[Mr. Harris] (1:23:44 – 1:24:05)

If we did not set the funds aside, what was… I come up and said, look, you know, fellas, it’s missed a step [???]. If we don’t vote by the board to set this fund aside out of this credit facility immediately, when we told everybody that we can perform option B, it may be portrayed as we didn’t have the ability.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:05 – 1:24:05)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:05 – 1:24:10)

It’s because the credit facility’s there. So we voted and put it through and set it aside on a credit line.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:11 – 1:24:23)

All right, here’s where I’m confused, Rufus. Now, you said if you didn’t set the funds aside, to me funds are different than credit lines. So, like, if I have a…

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:23 – 1:24:27)

If I have an open credit line with an institution for up to $2 billion…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:27 – 1:24:27)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:28 – 1:24:38)

And all I’ve got to do is send a letter and say, transfer this money via swift transaction to this account, and that’s my agreement with that bank, that’s the same thing as the cash on both of the companies.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:38 – 1:24:40)

That may be the same…

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:24:40 – 1:24:47)

I agree with that.

I’m sorry, Simon, can I say one thing? [Simon: Yes.] I agree with that. In my opinion, I would say that’s the same thing also.

But now…

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:48 – 1:24:53)

I don’t care how the SEC or anybody looks at it, Anthony. I really don’t.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:24:53 – 1:25:00)

But let me ask you this. So even if you decided to pay off the shareholders with their money, is that considered fraud?

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:00 – 1:25:26)

No, we did not decide that.

We did not decide that. We turned around and went with option C and issued more additional shares to you. And what that did was force the issue of all dealing with shares and started a big wave of collapse in the market, which started with NASDAQ, trying to force a dividend situation.

It started with the transfer agent trying to say, no, no, no, I didn’t sign off on this. I wasn’t notified properly. Dude, you work for us.

We don’t work for you.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:25:27 – 1:25:29)

So now let me make sure I…

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:29 – 1:25:37)

And that was my point to the TA.

You work for us. We tell you and we vote how shares go and how they’re issued, not YOU.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:25:38 – 1:25:58)

Right.

And I agree with that. But let me make sure I understand this correct. So I understand you vote on the 6 for 1 or the 7 for 1, however you call it, 6 for 1.

So at that point in time, once you voted on that, that takes the $900 million out of the picture?

[Mr. Harris] (1:25:59 – 1:26:37)

It takes the $900 million out of the credit facility that we deemed a merger action completed after the Wattle shares were issued. Under the merger agreement to make that decision.

Once Wattle shares were issued and filed out, we actually moved too early because some Wattle shares had not cleared the DTC account. And when we moved before that, that’s why I said some Wattle people can be upset, not because they didn’t get the sale, because they didn’t even have their stuff in their account to get it credited to at the time of the decision.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:26:39 – 1:27:24)

[Simon: All right.] Let me ask you this question about [Simon: This will be the last one Anthony because we got some other folks…] I’m sorry. I apologize. Let me ask you this question about the scenario that we’re in now.

As far as the package that you want to put in the proxy, okay, that’s fine and dandy. But let me ask you this. The way I take it, this is the way I’m taking it.

I’m not saying this is what you’re stating, but this is the way I’m taking it. There might be a chance that the bonds could be done wrong or whatever way, shape, or form that they were brought in wrong or whatever the case may be. There’s a chance of that.

So the package that you’re proposing.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:24 – 1:27:28)

I’m not agreeing to that [???]. [Inaudible]?

I’m not agreeing to that, [inaudible].

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:27:29 – 1:27:31)

Okay, so you think.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:32 – 1:27:34)

That’s the reason I [inaudible].

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:27:34 – 1:27:50)

Okay, that’s cool. That’s cool. So let me make sure, because this is a lot of people worry about this.

So in your opinion, you still claim without a doubt that the bonds are legit no matter what?

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:51 – 1:28:47)

No. What I’m saying to you is transactions were set in place with banks that give us credit facilities that we could draw down on immediately.

Okay? Now, whether or not the people that sign paperwork and give us the bonds in the central bank or however they did on their side did correctly, we are a successful company with a credit facility and agreement in different banks, Panamanian banks, certain banks in Europe, who all have traders who are going to handle all of our accounts and our funds for all the projects. The banks are going to handle the bank accounts for all the projects and everything on the money.

This was set up. It is how business works. It’s the upside of business that no one sees.

I don’t care about them. That’s why I said, bring it on. We got credit facilities.

We got it on our books. Here it is. You got a problem with it, bring it on.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:28:48 – 1:29:04)

Let me rephrase the question. So based [no sound] on the credit facility, we have $7.2 billion in bonds based on the credit facility.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:04 – 1:29:12)

We have financial institutions to include central banks, countries to loan to us against those bonds up to $5.5 billion U.S. dollars.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:29:16 – 1:29:16)

[Simon: All right.] Okay?

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:17 – 1:29:20)

$5.5. [Simon: All right, so-]

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:29:20 – 1:29:26)

Can I ask this last question? How do you find out if they’re going to deliver upon those?

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:27 – 1:29:33)

No, we were the ones that shut the system down at the point when the SEC come in.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:29:33 – 1:29:34)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:34 – 1:30:38)

Remember when I opened up [Anthony: I remember that-] and I opened up, the SEC just told me on the telephone, when I said, I’m going to draw down these bonds and pull in $500 million up to $2 billion out of the National Bank of Panama and put it into our account, as cash to start moving forward.

And he said, we will consider this as fraud and shut you down. And I told you that to the shareholder’s committee. Well, if I did this, it’s fraud.

The only thing I can do is form a shareholder’s committee at this particular time. I want you to appoint a nominating committee and turn around and nominate individuals for the other committee. And we’ll do a committee, we’ll put people in it, put them in place, and then they can give you two options in terms of that shareholder committee.

First option, get me through numbers. I will work with you, with NASDAQ, with ADB [???], and I will get you the proxy. And my question to the shareholder’s committee was, does any one of you have the ability to set up an online proxy?

Remember that, Anthony?

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:30:39 – 1:30:40)

Yes, I remember that question.

[Mr. Harris] (1:30:40 – 1:31:48)

Ah.

And why would I ask that question? Because I was giving that control to the shareholder’s committee. An online proxy for all the shareholders to be done legally through the SEC system.

That was my recommendation. Immediately appoint two committees, nominating committee, compensation committee. Compensation committee can vote on how much compensation the new directors deal with this.

If the SEC tells me if we draw down on it, it’s fraud, I’ve got to deal with this in the court. Move this company forward, and I’ll work with you to do it [Anthony: Right.]. And come back to me with the shareholder committee, not asking, demand that I sign this 15C11 and do this deal with this market maker and get it back on the over-the-counter bulletin board and trade it.

And my response was, wow, under what authority [Simon: Right.] do you demand that? [Simon: Okay. So Anthony-] And the next thing is you voted, and you have John Arlett. And the 51% voted, and you have control of the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:48 – 1:31:48)

Right.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:31:49 – 1:32:12)

Simon, I’m going to just add one thing to this, and then I appreciate you taking my call, Mr. Harris and Simon. But, Mr. Harris, you keep making that statement like you came right back with that, who are we as a shareholder committee to demand it. It took you a week to respond to that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:12 – 1:32:24)

So what, dude? I have business to deal with and other transactions. I have the SEC to deal with.

I had attorneys to meetings to deal with. Okay? It doesn’t matter if it took me a month.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:32:24 – 1:32:27)

You told us you were on vacation.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:27 – 1:32:41)

I appointed the shareholder committee under the laws of our corporate charters. And we were following those.

You cannot violate those [Anthony: Right.] Under our corporate charters, when the shareholder committee signed and agreed to be the shareholder committee, you have to follow those corporate charters.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:32:42 – 1:32:42)

Mm-hmm.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:43 – 1:32:44)

I’ve stated that to everyone.

[Anthony (Guest Caller)] (1:32:46 – 1:32:52)

Right, but I thought you said you were on vacation, but now you’re handling business. I understand.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:53 – 1:32:55)

Okay. All right. Thank you, Anthony.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:55 – 1:33:14)

I had stuff to do that had to move and prepare a new line and a new asset for the corporation and then family, and we jumped on it and went out and found packages of people that we’ve done business with. And we’ve had multiple and numerous meetings with these individuals about it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:14 – 1:33:15)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:15 – 1:33:18)

And we’re going to move this thing forward to a proxy. That’s it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:19 – 1:33:19)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:19 – 1:33:19)

All I can tell you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:20 – 1:33:36)

All right. Good. So Anthony dropped off.

I believe we’ve got one of the listeners’ favorite callers about to call in. That is Joy. She’s from Hot Stock Market.

You remember Joy, don’t you?

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:37 – 1:33:37)

Maybe.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:37 – 1:33:54)

Oh, well, maybe when you hear her voice you’ll actually recognize her. She’s not one to get emotionally carried away sometimes. But here we go.

Hello, Joy? You’re on the line.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:33:56 – 1:33:56)

Is there someone?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:57 – 1:34:01)

Yes. We need you to mute the station in the background.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:02 – 1:34:03)

I just did.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:03 – 1:34:06)

All right. Perfect. So you’re live on the air with Mr. Harris.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:07 – 1:34:09)

Well, hi, Mr. Harris. How are you?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:10 – 1:34:11)

I’m fantastic. How are you?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:13 – 1:34:20)

I’m very good. Okay. I can hear you now.

Wow. It’s been a strange ride, hasn’t it?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:22 – 1:34:23)

Oh, from day one.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:24 – 1:34:24)

It certainly has.

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:24 – 1:34:31)

From the day we signed the merger, I bet I expected it. I expected it was different, right? That’s why I went out and told everybody.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:33 – 1:34:40)

Okay. Now I’m having a little bit of trouble hearing you, so I’m going to ask you to speak up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:42 – 1:34:49)

Okay. I’ll see if I can help with that blame as well. But did you have some comments or questions, Joy?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:34:50 – 1:35:10)

Well, honestly, Mr. Harris, it’s been a hard ride for this. We have a lot of good folks there on HSM. I think that you’re pretty familiar with most of them there.

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:10 – 1:35:11)

I found it.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:35:12 – 1:37:04)

And I think most of us have been very, very loyal. And regardless of what went on last night with Mike Alexander posting, and now tonight you’re on Simon’s show again. And we’re real happy to have some more dialogue going on, but at the same time, a lot of us are very confused. And I’m not going to get on here and say one way or another who I think is right, but there are a lot of people who I care a lot about that I’ve gotten to know on the board, really good folks, and I think that you’re pretty much aware of that dynamic. And not even just that, but just people in general that invest in the market. So what I guess I really want to say to you is, what in the hell is going on, Mr. Harris? And you’ve been talking all night. Fine. Great. I am just here. I am the lady that comes on every night and tells everybody to be kind to each other and brush their teeth and be sure that they mind their manners. I’ve texted your mom on the board many times. And, you know, I guess really what I want to say to you is, we’re real honest people out here trying to do the right thing, trying to be kind to each other. What’s your [inaudible], Mr. Harris? What’s going on here?

Please tell me.

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:07 – 1:37:07)

But I’m what?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:37:09 – 1:37:09)

Pardon?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:11 – 1:37:14)

What’s the brunt of your question?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:37:14 – 1:37:20)

The brunt of my question is, what are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to just hang?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:23 – 1:37:24)

That’s my advice, ma’am.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:37:26 – 1:37:27)

Really?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:28 – 1:38:14)

Yes, ma’am. That’s my advice. Say it, and as they say, go through the courts.

You’ll have an opportunity to make a decision. You’ve got everything in your hands, and if the shareholder committee wants to do something, they should hire a legal counsel to be able to review it and give all the shareholders an opinion letter. That is my recommendation.

Or if you or someone has enough funds to get an opinion letter concerning the proxy what comes out in the filing and an answer from us, I recommend that. Completely. And look at it as for what he says.

Take what he says. They might [inaudible].

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:38:14 – 1:38:15)

Who’s he?.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:16 – 1:38:19)

The lawyer that, that-

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:19 – 1:38:19)

That you hire.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:19 – 1:38:20)

Yeah.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:38:21 – 1:38:23)

The lawyer that we [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:23 – 1:38:47)

If you get the proxy and everything in your hand, and you say everything in the court system, and it moves forward. Get an opinion letter.

Somebody will. A lot of these people claim they have a lot of money in there, invested millions, and so on and so on. If you can invest millions in a over-the-counter bulletin board penny stock, then the least you can do is pay $5,000 and hire an attorney.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:38:48 – 1:38:55)

Okay. I’m going to ask another real stupid question. So is John Arlett our CEO, or are you?

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:55 – 1:38:58)

You’re talking to your CEO, ma’am.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:38:58 – 1:38:59)

Thank you very much.

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:00 – 1:39:02)

[Inaudible] should be shareholders.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:39:02 – 1:39:18)

Right. And given the fact that you’re our CEO, then what are we supposed to think about the previous PRs that have come out from John Arlett?

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:19 – 1:39:32)

My recommendation was pre-shareholder committee era or drama is the same as it is now.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:39:33 – 1:39:34)

You’re our CEO.

[Mr. Harris] (1:39:35 – 1:40:48)

Look at the court and the filings and documents. Look at them. I told everyone all along where they were, put out PRs, go to this website, log on, and you can get documentation that will be presented in the court.

Already in the system for your public as the shareholder. I wanted you as a shareholder to be completely enforced. That’s why I pushed that to everyone.

They’re going to ask me that question. Why did you do that? Because it’s a public company, Your Honor, and I wanted every single shareholder to be informed to the extent of the law.

In some case, we’re giving out the Euroclear code may be considered by Euroclear as violations of our security agreement with Euroclear. That’s the banks and the institutions. I’ve stated that.

I put information out there for the public to look at. I urged you, I put out press releases asking you to go look at it. Make your decision for now.

All I can do is state facts to you. [Simon: Okay, so-] Right now, it got crazy. [Simon: All right, so Rufus-] I enjoyed the holidays with my family, and I let these guys do whatever they want to do and say what they want to say.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:49 – 1:41:27)

Okay, hang on, Rufus. So, Joy, let me see if I can summarize this, and Rufus, see if I’m on target. So, basically, to your question, Joy, number one, what are shareholders to do?

Rufus said there are two options. Number one, hold tight. See this through the court proceeding.

That’s option one. Or option two, work with the shareholder committee, get legal counsel, maybe a class action suit, and then listen to the lawyer that the shareholder committee has retained or gotten on board. So those are the two options for shareholders.

As I heard Mr. Harris explain.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:41:29 – 1:41:31)

And Simon, if I may interject?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:31 – 1:41:32)

Yes.

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:41:33 – 1:42:11)

I agree that your paraphrase is correct. However, I do have to say, and Mr. Harris, I’m not blaming you for this in any way, shape, or form, but … to this date, I don’t know anybody that has been successful in getting a hold of the shareholders committee. As far as we are concerned, you can go to the website and nobody responds.

As far as we are concerned, there is no shareholders committee.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:11 – 1:42:12)

There you go.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:42:13 – 1:42:17)

There is no shareholders committee.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:17 – 1:42:22)

That’s why I was getting to the point and asking, have you actually contacted John Arlett and spoke with him?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:42:24 – 1:42:31)

I’m sorry? No, we can’t get a hold of John Arlett. Is that what he said? I’m sorry, sir. I didn’t hear you.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:32 – 1:42:33)

How many times have you tried?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:42:34 – 1:42:50)

Well, no, I personally haven’t. I have to admit that. But many people on HSM have attempted to get a hold of him and have been unsuccessful. Perhaps I personally need to try it, but I have not.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:50 – 1:45:04)

Okay. So if I can say something here, Joy. It’s interesting because your second question was, you know, as Rufus being the CEO of Conversion Solutions, what are shareholders to make of the press releases put out by John Arlett?

One thing that I would like to help or try to help shareholders understand is this following point. When this whole debacle occurred, I was one of the few people that originally said, who’s to say that this isn’t all made up? Who’s to say that Rufus isn’t still CEO?

So let’s play down that road. Rufus is saying that he’s still CEO, he’s always been CEO, he’s always been in control of this, and all that stuff with John Arlett, no big deal. So what does that mean for shareholders that believed in John Arlett?

Well, we have to look and see what John Arlett put out in press releases. There really isn’t anything of substance, nothing of true material, in my opinion, if you take out the lawyer. The lawyer was the only true material event that John Arlett actually press released.

Everything else was nothing but a cut and paste of a press release that Mike Alexander put out when he was CEO, and I pointed that out as part of the show, saying, look, they’re just basically changing the names. It’s the same press release. It’s the same SEC filing format, identical.

And so there really isn’t anything that John Arlett said. He came out and said, we’re getting a lawyer. He said that he’s now the CEO.

Okay, that’s a lie, according to Rufus. And then they were going to move the office from Georgia to Dallas, but the last PR says that’s been postponed, so no net effect there. And then you take the fact that the other thing he said was the 6 for 1 was going to be honored.

Well, Rufus has been saying that from day one. He’s been saying that since October 17th. So, again, with regards to what had John Arlett really done, communicated, committed to, absolutely nothing, in my opinion, other than the lawyer.

And so I don’t think that there’s any-

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:45:05 – 1:45:08)

And we have no confirmation of that, now, do we?

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:09 – 1:45:18)

[Simon: Ah, -] We have no confirmation. The attorney firm, you can contact them, and they will tell you that they do not represent John Arlett, the Conversion Solutions [inaudible] Court, in any shape, form, or fashion.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:19 – 1:46:40)

Yeah, I’ve actually tried to contact the law firm in Atlanta. I left messages, and they have not returned my call. I’ve reached out to them and said, yes, I’ve left this message on this date, and I think that this time I’m supposed to get a call back from the head attorney.

The receptionists know that I’m calling. They know who to direct me to, but I don’t get a call back, so I don’t know what to make of that. And all they say is, well, he really can’t talk about the situation.

Okay. All I’m asking them to say is not tell me the details of the case, of the evidence. I’m just saying, yes or no, are you representing Conversion Solutions?

I can’t even get that. Now, maybe they don’t like the fact that I’m with SubPenny Radio or whatever. Who knows?

So I think Rufus might be on to something with what he just said. The other point that’s important to note, your comment of no shareholder committee being in existence, again, I would agree with you. You know, I’ve been very critical.

I wouldn’t say I’ve been very critical, but I’ve been critical of the shareholder committee saying, look, you know, it’s a joke. In fact, when James was the chairman, I went out there and looked at it, and I looked at the minutes, and I actually said this to some folks. There was a message that said, who put the minutes together?

That’s, you know, whatever.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:46:41 – 1:46:43)

I want to interject here just a moment.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:43 – 1:46:44)

Sure, go ahead.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:46:45 – 1:46:57)

Okay, fine. Um, Rufus, Mr. Harris, you originally asked the shareholder committee to form, correct?

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:58 – 1:46:59)

Yes, ma’am, I did.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:46:59 – 1:46:59)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:00 – 1:47:01)

I actually appointed a chairman.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:47:02 – 1:47:02)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:03 – 1:47:07)

And in Texas is where it came up. That was one of my recommendations when I asked them to form.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:47:07 – 1:47:09)

So James G. took it, right?

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:09 – 1:47:10)

He stepped up.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:47:10 – 1:47:10)

And he ran with it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:10 – 1:47:17)

I had just taken names, and I said, good man. The first man that steps up and takes on a task of that sort is, man, I’m going to give it to you.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:47:18 – 1:47:29)

Okay, fine. That’s great. Wonderful.

And, you know, I’m up here in Minnesota, and I didn’t get to go down. Would have loved to, but didn’t get to do it. Understood.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:30 – 1:47:31)

It really wasn’t the shareholder committee.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:47:31 – 1:48:01)

And you picked people that, in your opinion, were good folks. And they ran with it, and nothing happened the first time around.

Then we had a second incarnation, if I’m not mistaken, after Mike took over the company for a bit and handed it back to you, and then we had a new shareholder committee. Correct? Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (1:48:02 – 1:48:02)

That’s right.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:48:04 – 1:49:08)

And after the whole darn thing evolved, if I’m not mistaken, James G steps down. Now I think Tony Soprano had a fit and got off, and then Portman took over. And he put up a whole new thing and put up a statement about we would have updates, but nothing has happened.

Nobody can get ahold of anybody anymore, and that’s why I say, did a shareholder committee exist? I don’t think so. They don’t communicate with anybody.

There’s no updates on the website. And we’re sitting here going, what’s going on? John Arlett is supposed to be our CEO.

We don’t hear much other than little blurbs. And, again, I say, what the hell is going on?

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:09 – 1:49:57)

You’re looking at this fast. [Joy: Pardon?] You’re looking at it from fast.

You’re looking at it hardcore reality fast. And it’s like I told you. I told everyone from the beginning when they started bashing it, and I started receiving emails upon emails and letters written to the corporations, to the office, we were being flooded with them, giving us comments of what R Street put out about it, of what this other stock, Hot Limit, put out about it.

We come back with a PR in response. And I tell everybody, this is only going to get worse. You are a victim of a short-selling ring.

We will communicate with you as we proceed forward. You know, we are real. We can deliver.

Buy on that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:58 – 1:50:14)

But what Joy is talking about has nothing to do. She’s talking about the performance of the company. She’s talking about the performance of the shareholder committee.

Nothing to do with the stock or the short sellers or other, you know, bashers and things like that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:15 – 1:50:27)

You don’t see the relation? That’s what I’m trying to get to. I said look at the relationship of these things that happen.

People that come up and do these things, when I tell you about the laws and rules and regulations.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:50:27 – 1:50:39)

Hang on. Hang on, Mr. Harris. I’m sorry.

I’m sorry. Talk to me like I’m stupid because I am. I don’t get it.

Talk to me like I’m stupid, please, because I am.

[Mr. Harris] (1:50:39 – 1:51:32)

I said watch this. These types of things and activities I’ve seen worse. And crazy things happen in this situation.

I told people. That’s why we took the steps we did to explain to you to look at these crazy things. This is reality, but you’re going to see we will move through it.

Other companies have tried. Other companies have taken it to a congressional hearing to break it on this ring. It’s evident.

In Washington, and I’m trying to say, we have the power to push it through. We can provide the facts required. No one in this company is involved in the transaction.

We will cooperate, push this through, make money for the shareholders, and go on. And that’s what we’ll see on day one.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:51:32 – 1:51:35)

No, I don’t get it then. [Simon: Yeah.] I’m still not getting it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:36 – 1:51:38)

You don’t understand what I’m saying, do you?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:51:38 – 1:51:39)

No, I do.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:40 – 1:51:42)

Is your name on the NOBO list?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:51:43 – 1:51:43)

Yeah, it is.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:44 – 1:51:45)

It is?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (1:51:45 – 1:51:46)

It is.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:46 – 1:51:47)

You’re holding the voting shares.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:51:48 – 1:52:21)

I’m holding voting shares, my husband and I. And part of our, not all, but part of our holdings are in service. We’ve been here a long time.

Not from pre-FHALDs. No, not. But from July.

And, you know, I guess what I really, really want to know, I guess I want some proof. Damn it.

[Mr. Harris] (1:52:22 – 1:52:34)

I know. I know. I agree.

And that’s why I told everybody, you’re going to get documents on a business plan, how to move you out, and you’re going to have your authority to speak as a shareholder, the way it should be.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:52:35 – 1:52:36)

Now, Rufus can…

[Mr. Harris] (1:52:36 – 1:52:39)

It’s going to relate to every one of the shareholders on the NOBO list, and you’re going to…

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:52:39 – 1:52:46)

Simon, Mr. Harris, thank you. I appreciate it. Simon, are you trying to interject?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:52:46 – 1:52:47)

Am I what?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:52:47 – 1:52:49)

Are you trying to interject? I thought you were.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:52:49 – 1:53:25)

Yes. Now, Rufus, I’m going to be a fly in the ointment. So let me introduce something that I’ve talked about on the show before that I haven’t said at all tonight through this whole conversation, is the proxy vote.

It’s great. When we see it, we see it. But here’s the most important thing about it.

How many voting shares are controlled by the board and the officers? If the majority of the voting shares is controlled by you or the people in the…

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:25 – 1:53:27)

Go back to the filing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:27 – 1:53:30)

Understood. I know we’re flying the information-

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:30 – 1:53:32)

I’m going to answer your question, and I’m going to show you how to do it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:32 – 1:53:32)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:33 – 1:53:40)

It’s to a percentage, okay? And I’m going to do this in a way that it’s not going to be … just follow.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:40 – 1:53:40)

All right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:40 – 1:53:43)

Go back to the merger and the 111 million shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:44 – 1:53:44)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:45 – 1:53:45)

Okay?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:45 – 1:53:46)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:47 – 1:54:03)

Those are the shares that are [inaudible] in the merger. Look at the percentages that were received by Front Haul individuals, and then look at the percentages that was issued after. Go back to the NOBO list that I posted when it said 31 million [inaudible]-

Remember that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:03 – 1:54:04)

Yes.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:54:04 – 1:54:05)

Mm-hmm.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:08 – 1:54:19)

31 million at the time. Fact. Take that percentage.

That’s in the DTC system available for voting [inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:20 – 1:54:25)

See, and I understand how to do this arithmetic-

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:25 – 1:54:28)

And then take the share issued that were added to that up to the 111.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:29 – 1:54:29)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:30 – 1:54:30)

And what percentage?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:32 – 1:54:34)

What percentage? Say again?

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:34 – 1:54:35)

What percentage is the difference?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:36 – 1:54:50)

Right. So that’s how you calculate it. But here’s the problem that I see.

We’re dealing with 111 maybe. If we count Michael Alexander’s shares that he says not supposed to have, that he does have, unknown.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:51 – 1:54:51)

Is it in the filing?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:52 – 1:54:54)

Is it in the filing? You’re saying going back?

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:54 – 1:54:55)

Is it in the filing? Don’t factor them in.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:56 – 1:54:56)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:56 – 1:54:57)

That’s what I’m telling you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:57 – 1:55:00)

Well, 111 is factoring that in, though.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:00 – 1:55:08)

No. That’s my [inaudible]. You can’t handle anything or get anything up out of me on that deal. Take the percentage.

That’s your answer.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:08 – 1:55:08)

Okay.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:55:08 – 1:55:10)

And I have to object here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:11 – 1:55:11)

All right. Go ahead, Jill.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:55:12 – 1:55:32)

You can talk math all day long, but I guess maybe I’m being stupid. I typically am. But are we talking about the total shares traded within a system or the shares that are traded outside?

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:33 – 1:55:39)

No, ma’am. Ma’am, we’re only talking about the shares that show up on the NOBO list and the books of the company at the time of the merger.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:55:39 – 1:55:45)

[Inaudible]. Are there full shares on the [inaudible] website? Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:47 – 1:56:10)

This is the hard part that you really need to get. Look at the shares and what the structure is. It is fully detailed in that merger.

Those are the only shares that survived by understanding the contract by [Joy: … what I’m asking, are there shares that have been traded outside of the system?] They don’t matter.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:56:11 – 1:56:12)

Those don’t have voting rights.

[Mr. Harris] (1:56:13 – 1:56:38)

I mean, the people that bought and lost and sold and their brokers, they’re sick of their buying. But a lot of them have failed. Everybody involved in all that transactions is NOT in the merger. [Joy: Understood.] The documents required for the number to be turned over to us from the transfer agent in writing for them to be [inaudible] numbers of the corporation. It was all required by the merger agreement.

The numbers used in that merger agreement will received from the transfer agent and put in that contract.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:56:48 – 1:57:02)

[Rufus: We didn’t-] Okay, I get that. I understand. That’s the legal part.

What I’m asking about is the shares above and beyond that. Do you feel that there are still shares above and beyond that out there?

[Mr. Harris] (1:57:03 – 1:57:08)

Without a shadow of a doubt. [Joy: All right.] I know it for a fact.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:57:11 – 1:57:14)

How, then, is that going to be proved?

[Mr. Harris] (1:57:15 – 1:57:22)

I’ve already put the procedure and have a list of 800 people and what institutions they were held in that were not on the books of the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:57:25 – 1:57:28)

What was that Rufus?

[Mr. Harris] (1:57:28 – 1:57:35)

That was part of the process. We were doing that initially. Everyone has to remember that.

That was the purpose of it. Okay-

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:57:35 – 1:57:57)

I understand. Good for you, sir. Good for you.

Very, very, very good piece. But then my next question is, what are the next steps? And, you know, again, talk to me like I’m dumb because I am.

What are the next steps in order to force [inaudible]. Who do we need to prove that to?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:57:57 – 1:57:59)

In order to force what, Joy? Say that again, please.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:58:02 – 1:58:04)

Pardon, Simon? I didn’t hear you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:58:04 – 1:58:06)

Yeah, in order to force what?

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:58:07 – 1:58:20)

In order to force understanding of the fact that there were X number of shares traded outside the system, how do we need to present that to who?

[Mr. Harris] (1:58:23 – 1:58:30)

We don’t need to present it. That’s the SEC, and it’s their responsibility. They filed it up in the federal court.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:58:31 – 1:58:32)

Great. That’s wonderful.

[Mr. Harris] (1:58:32 – 1:58:51)

They have to prove evidence to the court who sold the shares and who received money and how much. That’s part of their job in the legal system to go in and get the information and find out who sold the shares. That’s what the court is about.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:58:54 – 1:58:54)

That’s great.

[Mr. Harris] (1:58:54 – 1:58:57)

Incorporating an individual. I don’t have a problem.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:58:59 – 1:59:06)

Mr. Harris, I think that’s a wonderful thing. I just have a doubt that they will.

[Mr. Harris] (1:59:07 – 1:59:08)

They’re not.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:59:09 – 1:59:12)

I just really doubt they will do that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:59:12 – 1:59:30)

They’re not real. You cannot trade 600 million shares in under four months. In the company, they only had a flow [???] of 31 million for three and a half months of that.

There was no extra shares out there, and the majority of those people’s names were on multiple NOBO lists. That’s why we pulled multiple NOBO lists and why I posted them on the website. If you recall- [Joy: No, I, I … No ….]

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (1:59:35 – 2:00:29)

Perhaps I’ve misrepresented myself. Believe me, I believe you. I guess I’m trying to make the point that, and I understand that you feel that the best avenue for proving this is through the SEC forcing them.

I guess I’m, I don’t know any other avenue, I guess. Good for you. At the same time, I cannot help but feel that maybe that’s not going to work.

Do we have a backup plan? Is there any other way to prove that there are, outside of the system, shares being traded?

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:31 – 2:00:40)

It’s already been proven, honey. I’ve already proved it on the website in front of the whole entire market, shareholders and all. I really wish you could understand.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:00:40 – 2:00:42)

[Simon: Okay.] No, I do.

[Mr. Harris] (2:00:43 – 2:01:07)

I really wish you could understand what the NOBO list is. I really do. I really wish you could understand what the DTC list is. Every day for weeks, showing the activity between the market maker and between the firms, who dumped millions, who sold to who, you can trace all the numbers. I put that view as a shareholder, and I try to educate every single one of you as much as possible.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:01:10 – 2:01:12)

I don’t understand, sir. I’m just trying to be honest.

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:12 – 2:01:43)

And I’m sorry if I get people mad. [Inaudible]. I don’t mean it.

What I mean, and the people I’m referring to, don’t judge yourself if you are a victimized shareholder. Because when you buy into this stuff, and then you call me and tell me what facts are, when I know the facts, I understand it. I’m trying to teach you, [inaudible].

I’m sorry.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:01:44 – 2:01:46)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:01:46 – 2:01:47)

All right. Joy?

[Mr. Harris] (2:01:47 – 2:01:49)

I’m not talking about you.

I’m not putting you in that category.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:01:50 – 2:02:32)

No, I completely understand that. I completely understand that there are people out there that perhaps did things that they shouldn’t have done. [Simon: Sure.] At the same time, I think that there are [people] that want to address the entire naked shortselling beyond CSHD. At the same time, I also realize that people would like to get their money out of CSHD. I think that there are a lot of people that would really like to understand who’s in charge.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:02:33 – 2:02:33)

Sure.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:02:35 – 2:02:42)

I apologize for getting the topic skewed towards me.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (2:02:42 – 2:02:43)

No, that’s fine.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:02:43 – 2:02:43)

I shouldn’t have done that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:02:44 – 2:02:50)

Because [inaudible] he’s in charge. And Simon, I hear you back there. Are you there?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:02:51 – 2:02:51)

Yes, I’m here.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:02:53 – 2:02:56)

Interject. Go away. No, go away.

I mean, take it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:02:57 – 2:03:36)

What I wanted to do was actually summarize, and some of the other folks have an opportunity to call in. So in summary, your questions really were, number one, who’s in charge? The answer is Rufus Paul Harris, according to this phone call.

You know, what do we make of the past press releases? Well, you know, if John wasn’t CEO, if he’s never been CEO, then I guess it doesn’t mean anything. And then is there an actually valid, active shareholder’s committee?

Well, actions speak louder than words. There’s words that say, yes, there’s a Porterman that’s the chairman, but action? Well, I guess no.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:03:36 – 2:03:37)

Portman.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:03:37 – 2:04:04)

Yeah, portman. Okay. And so we’ll have to wait and see.

But the options that shareholders currently have, according to Rufus, are, one, sit it out, wait. You will be justified in the end, according to him. Or, if you don’t like it, get a lawyer and see what class action suit you can actually be part of, and then listen to the lawyer that you get.

Those are the points that we have at this point. I think that summarizes the call. Is that fair?

[Mr. Harris] (2:04:05 – 2:04:06)

Excellent.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:07 – 2:04:07)

Okay.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:04:07 – 2:04:08)

I think it’s pretty fair.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:08 – 2:04:09)

All right. Good deal.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:04:10 – 2:04:51)

And [Simon: Are you still- [inaudible]] I also want to say, regardless of some of the nasty things that have been said, I’m bored, and I’m for HSM. Your mom is always welcome.

You are always welcome. Bodie is always welcome. It would be very interesting for me to understand who is really right about things, because …

[Simon: Who-] And I suspect that’s why you’re on tonight.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:04:52 – 2:05:00)

Yeah, we’re trying to clear up a lot of the misconceptions, what’s right and what’s wrong. So let me let you go, Joy, so we can get some of these other callers.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:05:01 – 2:05:02)

All right. Thank you, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:02 – 2:05:03)

All right. Thanks.

[Joy (Guest Caller from HSM)] (2:05:04 – 2:05:05)

Bye-bye.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:05:05 – 2:06:12)

Bye-bye. So, Mr. Harris, if I can call you Mr. Harris. One of the things I wanted to talk about before we take our next call from Dan.

Dan will be calling in just a moment. But the one thing that I wanted to illustrate is a lot. Now, I don’t know if Conversion Solutions is set this way or not, but most bulletin board, most penny stock companies, they do not relinquish majority of the voting stock because they don’t want bad things to happen by, you know, shareholders.

So, the proxy is coming out. Great. Glad to hear that.

But we’re going to have to wait and see. Even if everyone that is a minority shareholder, is there enough votes to change? We’ll have to wait and see.

I’m waiting to see if I can get … hold on. What is, I’m waiting for Dan to give me a call. So, those of you that are trying to dial in, send me an instant message, and I will cue you up next.

Dan is patiently waiting for his chance to speak with Mr. Harris. Are you still there, Rufus?

[Mr. Harris] (2:06:13 – 2:06:13)

Yes sir.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:14 – 2:06:33)

Okay, good deal. And so, while I’m trying to get, I think this is him. Yes, this is Dan calling in right now.

So, we’ve got Dan. Are you with me?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:06:35 – 2:06:35)

Hello.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:06:35 – 2:06:41)

Hello, Dan? [Dan: Simon?] Yes, you’re on the phone with Mr. Harris, live on the air.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:06:43 – 2:06:54)

Mr. Harris? Oh, man, how are you doing? I don’t want a long, drawn-out conversation here.

I just have one simple question.

[Mike (Guest Caller – a.k.a Sweet Splat)] (2:06:54 – 2:06:54)

Okay.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:06:54 – 2:07:12)

Hold on one second. Mr. Harris, I know those calls are calling and you’re hearing a lot of comments and a lot of angry people. My only question is why the responsibility for where the company is at right now?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:07:13 – 2:07:14)

Say that again, why what?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:07:16 – 2:07:20)

Why can’t you take responsibility for where the company is at? You always have…

[Mr. Harris] (2:07:21 – 2:07:25)

I have full, I have full responsibility.

Never said anything else.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:07:28 – 2:07:52)

Well, I mean, you have passionate people calling about how much money they lost because a lot of people bought into your promises. I mean, I remember talking to you before sometime in July.

I talked on the phone and I said, are you really resetting that $15 on August 1st? And you said, yep. I mean, that’s a big promise, and the 10K never came.

All your promises just never came. You get defensive when we tell you that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:07:53 – 2:08:50)

No, I don’t get defensive when you point out timeframes that were missed on scenarios.

Not at all. What I get defensive is when I’m attacked in the situation saying, you bid on it, you defrauded us. And my answer is, you better read your facts.

You are totally informed. And it’s beyond the requirements of the Security Exchange Commission. That’s my response.

I get aggressive because the people that’s pointing it and doing it in an aggressive manner, the only way some of those people understand is if you’re aggressive right back in that scenario. [Dan: So-] You get free possible information. You could say, take it on my word, fine.

It was also put out in the press release. It was also put in a net case filing. Anything I said to you was put there.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:08:52 – 2:08:55)

So you say from the beginning you warned us.

[Mr. Harris] (2:08:56 – 2:08:57)

My name was on it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:08:57 – 2:09:01)

Okay, hang on, Rufus. Hang on. Let him ask his next question.

Go ahead, Dan.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:09:01 – 2:09:09)

All right, guys. You keep saying you warned us from the beginning that you saw this Concord stuff. So I don’t understand why-

[Mr. Harris] (2:09:09 – 2:09:20)

When I first came out on Subpenny Radio, the first place I appeared was IHUB. Because R Street was posting on there. People kept sending me hundreds of emails a day about it.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:09:22 – 2:10:03)

I know the order of events. I’ve been following this thing for seven months. My question is, hold on, a company with billions of dollars in assets, why would you not have confidence that the company would have enough backbone to go against all naked short-selling?

You called that we’d go to court and that we’d get shut down. I mean, if there was real backbone in the company, why were we shut down? We were not shut down because of naked short-selling.

We were shut down because of your claims that you never lived up to. There’s no value in the shareholders that [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:04 – 2:10:04)

Is that the case?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:06 – 2:10:06)

It is.

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:06 – 2:10:07)

What is the case?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:08 – 2:10:12)

I’m 23.

I haven’t been in the market long, but I’m not as stupid as you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:13 – 2:10:14)

What does the filing say, sir?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:15 – 2:10:16)

What filing?

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:16 – 2:10:20)

What does the SEC filing say that they filed in the federal court? What was their complaint?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:22 – 2:10:23)

Just a pump and dump.

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:24 – 2:10:25)

That’s right.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:26 – 2:10:31)

Okay, so. And the irony is, you keep saying-

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:31 – 2:10:34)

Now wait, now wait. What did I say? Okay.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:34 – 2:10:41)

You keep saying, wait till court. You’ll see the answer in court. And we will.

And I don’t. It baffles me that you sit on here and you say that.

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:41 – 2:10:42)

We’re going to see the answer.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:10:45 – 2:10:54)

The company’s not worth billions. It’s not. You know it’s not.

And everyone knows it’s not. It’s seven months. It’s like everyone’s just sick and tired of it.

[Mr. Harris] (2:10:56 – 2:11:01)

No, what is not? The bonds are not going to be successful? Is that what you’re saying?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:11:02 – 2:11:30)

Yeah. [Inaudible] obviously not successful. We got shut down for good reason.

SEC knows what they’re doing. So my only thing is, my only thing that upsets me.

I listen to you and stuff, but the only thing that upsets me is when you have someone like Trout coming on here just getting passionate, but you just cut people like that off. Because I don’t think they like to hear it in people’s voices that they’re upset. And I don’t know if you feel guilty or not, but…

[Mr. Harris] (2:11:31 – 2:12:11)

No, I don’t. I have no guilt whatsoever, sir. None.

Because nothing has been done to have any guilt. That is why I cut people off. But there’s nothing that has been performed on my behalf or has my signature on it that I have one increment of doubt.

One. There’s no reason for me to have guilt. And you say that I’ve run from the situation or I’ve failed?

No, I’ve regrouped. I’ve drawn a circle, set a parameter, and regrouped.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:12:12 – 2:12:31)

I feel like the first $5 million in bonds wasn’t unbelievable enough, that you added another $7 million, or billion.

And then you kept adding billions and billions until, when are they going to shut this thing down? When am I going to get shut down? You pumped it, and then I just feel like that’s what happened.

[Mr. Harris] (2:12:32 – 2:12:33)

That’s what you think? That’s what you think?

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:12:34 – 2:12:37)

That’s what I think.

That’s what I think. That’s what a lot of people think.

[Mr. Harris] (2:12:39 – 2:12:41)

You and I [inaudible].

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:12:42 – 2:12:42)

What’s that?

[Mr. Harris] (2:12:43 – 2:12:44)

You’re entitled to that, though.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:12:47 – 2:12:51)

And you say you take responsibility for where we are right now?

[Mr. Harris] (2:12:52 – 2:12:55)

And what I said. Sue me.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:12:56 – 2:12:56)

What’s that?

[Mr. Harris] (2:12:57 – 2:13:40)

Sue me. You feel that way, sue me. File a class action lawsuit against me.

Get to a shareholder committee and file a class action lawsuit against me. I invited, just like I invited the SEC. Stop it.

Go ahead. Holler, pump, and dump. You think I care?

You’re not going to be able to show any dump from any of our people. You’re not going to be able to show any fraud. Holler what you want.

I said that from day one, and I stand by that. I said that to the SEC. You’re not going to.

You’re going to have to convince me and show me 100% perpetrated fraud. And you better do it through Euroclear. Because I already have Euroclear documents.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:13:41 – 2:13:44)

So I don’t think I need to work after the SEC is doing it.

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:45 – 2:13:48)

That’s right. And have faith in it.

Have faith in the legal system.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:13:50 – 2:13:50)

I do.

[Mr. Harris] (2:13:50 – 2:14:00)

That’s what I’m talking about.

Hire you an attorney and have faith in what your attorney teaches you. Or tells you and advises you to do. Just trust it.

Trust the legal system.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:00 – 2:14:03)

All right. [Rufus: That’s your prerogative.] Did you have anything else?

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:03 – 2:14:05)

I said. Two options. Choose option two.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:07 – 2:14:07)

Okay.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:14:09 – 2:14:11)

That’s pretty much all I wanted to ask him that one thing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:11 – 2:14:12)

Okay. All right.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:14:13 – 2:14:15)

I’ll let you guys go for the evening. It’s getting late.

I’ve got to go to bed.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:15 – 2:14:22)

Sure. It’s a school night or a work week. So some people have to go.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:14:22 – 2:14:23)

Yeah, I’ve got school and work, so…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:23 – 2:14:27)

Oh, goodness. All right. Well, thanks for the call, and we’ll talk to you soon, hopefully.

[Dan (Guest Caller)] (2:14:28 – 2:14:30)

Definitely. God bless both of you guys.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:14:30 – 2:14:53)

All right. Thanks, Dan. Bye-bye. [Dan: See ya.]

All right, Rufus. Let me ask a couple questions that have been coming in since some folks are wanting to send messages. Whatever happened to St. Dabbs and Ben Stanley earlier in the phone call?

You had said that the company is still intact. How many people are still a part of the board?

[Mr. Harris] (2:14:53 – 2:15:00)

The company’s structure is as the filing Mike put in when he turned it over to me at the end of the term.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:01 – 2:15:02)

All right. Let me get [inaudible].

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:02 – 2:15:09)

No one else has been appointed back as officer. Everyone was terminated by Mike in a press release and took over by him and appointed a temporary CFO.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:09 – 2:15:10)

Okay. All right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:10 – 2:15:12)

Forensic auditor was hired.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:12 – 2:15:13)

Okay. Good.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:14 – 2:15:19)

The next legal step that came out was it was turned back over to me by Mike in the scenario.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:22 – 2:15:23)

All right. So let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:23 – 2:15:24)

Go back to that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:24 – 2:15:28)

Okay. So right now, how many employees are with Conversion Solutions?

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:29 – 2:15:29)

[Inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:29 – 2:15:30)

Okay. Just you. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:15:32 – 2:15:42)

No directors have been appointed. That was why I formed the shareholders committee, to appoint directors. All right.

I nominated the committee to nominate the directors.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:45 – 2:15:53)

All right. So let me go to the phone. All right.

Let’s go to the phone. Hello, Paulie. You’re live on the air with Rufus Paul Harris and Subpenny Radio.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:15:55 – 2:15:56)

Hey, J.G. How are you doing, pal?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:15:56 – 2:16:01)

Hey, J.G. Good to hear from you. You got some questions for Mr. Harris.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:02 – 2:16:02)

Hey, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:02 – 2:16:03)

How are you doing?

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:04 – 2:16:04)

I’m doing great.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:05 – 2:16:05)

Is this James?

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:06 – 2:16:11)

No, no, no, no, no. It’s not James at all.

Actually, I’ve never had a chance to speak with you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:12 – 2:16:23)

J.G., I know who you are. You’re the individual that runs the brokerage firm and the guy that Jonathan gives to me at the market maker.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:24 – 2:16:27)

Wait. Repeat that again. I’m sorry.

I had you on speaker, and I just turned it off.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:27 – 2:16:30)

You work for the market making and the firm. [Inaudible].

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:34 – 2:16:37)

No, not at all. Actually, I’m not a broker in the stock market at all.

[Mr. Harris] (2:16:38 – 2:16:47)

Okay.

Coincidence in name. There’s a broker there and a principal, and his name is J.A.Y.G. G-E-D.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:16:47 – 2:17:29)

Oh, that’s Tim Gee.

I believe he was a shareholder committee chairman at one time. Well, if that’s the person you’re talking about. But anyways, I just had a quick question.

I understood a little bit of where Joy was trying to get at. You know, I know shorts runs rampant in the market as is, and the SEC is aware of that, and obviously, they’re not doing anything. Do you think that there probably would have been another way to go about this whole situation other than getting assaulted and trying to go the route that we’re going and still trying to allow people into trading the stock rather than going into the gray market? [Rufus: Negative.]

That’s your plan all along is really…

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:29 – 2:17:40)

I actually did make comments previously that we walked down the courthouse, federal courthouse steps, with the motion to halt trading, ordered by a federal court to order NASDAQ to halt trading.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:17:40 – 2:17:41)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:41 – 2:17:45)

Because of the irregular market activity, and I’ve made that comment several times.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:17:45 – 2:17:52)

Okay. Yeah, that’s true.

You did. Now, I mean, do you see this as the only alternative, or is it still to confront this whole situation?

[Mr. Harris] (2:17:52 – 2:17:52)

Yes, I do.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:17:54 – 2:17:54)

Okay. [Rufus: … When 600 million illegal …]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:17:58 – 2:18:01)

Hold on. Say that again, Rufus. You’re breaking up.

[Mr. Harris] (2:18:02 – 2:18:08)

… for the shareholders. There was no way we could go in ahead and draw down, and the number would have grown astronomical.

[J.G. (Guest Caller)] (2:18:09 – 2:18:17)

Okay. All right.

Well, really, that was the only question I had, Simon. Thank you for allowing me to ask that question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:18:17 – 2:18:58)

Sure. Not a problem. Yeah, quick and easy.

Thanks, J.D. [J.G.: No problem.] All right. Bye-bye. [J.G.: Bye.]

All right. So, there’s one thing that Joy wanted me to pass on to you. She said she forgot to tell you to be sure to be nice to everyone and brush your teeth before you go to bed, because she wants to make sure that you’re taking care of your dental hygiene.

Do you floss is what, you know, anyway, um … let’s see, okay, we’ve got some other folks basically saying that people- [Rufus: This is one heck of a crowd.] Well, I mean, people are people.

[Mr. Harris] (2:18:58 – 2:19:05)

If my blood pressure can’t survive it, I’m going to really, I’m going to love this. I’ll love to shut back on my grandkids about this one day.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:09 – 2:19:34)

It’s interesting, you know. We’ll see. Now, we have someone, I think they’re going to be calling.

It’s ah, anyway, we’ll find out. We’ll find out. We’ll take a few more calls, and then we’ll say good night, because it is getting late.

I don’t want you to do anything crazy. [Rufus: Fall over.] Exactly, exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (2:19:34 – 2:19:35)

I’m getting pretty close, so.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:35 – 2:19:41)

Now, one thing that I’ve noticed on this call, you actually have had to take a hit of your asthma medicine.

[Mr. Harris] (2:19:42 – 2:19:44)

Yes, I have. I’ve taken it four or five times.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:44 – 2:19:50)

Oh, you have? Oh, you’ve gotten smooth with that then, huh? Because normally, I know when you’re taking those hits.

[Mr. Harris] (2:19:50 – 2:19:53)

Normally, I break the conversation and say I have to do this.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:19:54 – 2:20:00)

Exactly. All right, so let’s go ahead and add this other caller real quick. Hello, caller, you’re live on Subpenny Radio.

Who am I speaking to?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:02 – 2:20:02)

Hello?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:03 – 2:20:08)

Yes, if you would turn down the radio in the background. You’re live on the air.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:11 – 2:20:12)

Hello?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:12 – 2:20:17)

Yes. Hi, you’re on the air with Rufus Paul Harris and Subpenny Radio. Who am I talking to?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:18 – 2:20:20)

This is Rochelle.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:20 – 2:20:22)

Hi, Rochelle. You got a question for Mr. Harris?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:24 – 2:20:29)

Yes. My husband, Ernest Gordon, just spoke a few minutes ago and Simon said to call.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:31 – 2:20:37)

Okay, well, you’re actually talking to Simon right now. So, you’re Ernest’s…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:37 – 2:20:38)

Hi, Simon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:38 – 2:20:46)

Hi. No, that’s fine. Ernest, you’re actually Ernest’s wife.

And Ernest, wanted you call into the show?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:47 – 2:20:47)

Yes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:48 – 2:20:54)

Okay. Okay. Did you have a comment or a question for Mr. Harris?

Or is there something…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:55 – 2:20:56)

Well…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:56 – 2:20:57)

Or is there something…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:20:57 – 2:20:59)

I partially hear you [inaudible] cutting out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:20:59 – 2:21:00)

Or is there something that you’d like to share with us?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:21:03 – 2:21:29)

Yeah, I’m actually the one that actually transferred $30,000 into Rufus’s account and he’s claiming that the money is there. We’ve been trying … We have a certificate of preferred stock and we’ve been trying to figure out what we can do to get the money back. [Simon: Okay.] And we’re unable to get a straight answer from him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:29 – 2:21:43)

Right. Now, he’s on the line, but let me ask you a couple of questions. So, you say that you and Ernest transferred $30,000 from your account into…

Was that Mr. Harris’s personal account or the company’s account?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:21:44 – 2:21:45)

In the company account.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:21:45 – 2:21:56)

Okay. All right. Rufus, this was something that we were talking about earlier that you said, no, didn’t happen, it’s not true.

Was there actually that transaction that took place?

[Mr. Harris] (2:21:59 – 2:21:59)

Simon?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:00 – 2:22:00)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:01 – 2:22:07)

This transaction, when first brought to me, from Ernest, was $300,000.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:10 – 2:22:11)

You said it was $300,000?

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:12 – 2:22:16)

It was $300,000. And then the number…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:22:16 – 2:22:16)

It was $30,000.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:17 – 2:22:27)

It doubled up, and then it went down, and then it finished up at $30,000 with a preferred number.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:27 – 2:22:28)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:28 – 2:22:48)

But when the first contact was made, it was asked, do you not know if $300,000 was sent to your company? Uh, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t have the clue.

It hadn’t hit our bank account. And then now it’s resolved to $30,000.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:22:51 – 2:22:53)

So, if I heard you right, Rufus…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:22:53 – 2:22:53)

Regardless…

[Mr. Harris] (2:22:54 – 2:23:03)

My advice to you, ma’am, is get an attorney. Just like I’ve told everyone.

Get you a good attorney. Get advice from one.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:05 – 2:23:16)

Okay. Well, let me ask a question real quick, Rochelle. So, Rufus, in terms of giving anyone a refund, if they were not common stock purchasers…

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:17 – 2:23:19)

Now, that’s a little beyond devil’s advocate.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:21 – 2:23:25)

Well, let me finish the statement. Maybe you’ll change your mind.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:26 – 2:23:28)

What did I just say? Get an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:29 – 2:23:29)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:29 – 2:23:31)

Go off the legal advice of an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:31 – 2:23:38)

Okay. Alright. So, I guess that answers your question.

Is that right, Rochelle? Did you have something else? If you want your money back…

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:38 – 2:23:42)

That’s the only answer she’s going to get. So, it doesn’t matter if it answers it or not.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:23:43 – 2:23:48)

That’s the… We’re not able… You’re saying that you’re…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:23:49 – 2:23:56)

Hang on, Rochelle. One moment. Let’s see.

You’re breaking up. Say that again.

[Mr. Harris] (2:23:56 – 2:23:59)

I can actually recommend some good attorneys if you would like.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:24:03 – 2:24:16)

So, you’re not honoring the investment that we have? You’re telling us just to get an attorney that you’re not honoring? The transaction that we made?

That we agreed to?

[Mr. Harris] (2:24:17 – 2:24:45)

I’m not telling you that. It’s not [inaudible] honored, ma’am. I’m telling you to get you an attorney.

Get your documentation to the attorney. Present the legal situation. And present it legally.

That’s my advice to you. And then it will be dealt with in the same manner. Make an official response to an attorney.

To the corporation. Do it under your right of whatever agreement you have. And present it to the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:24:47 – 2:24:49)

Rochelle, let me ask a question. Because I don’t know the answer to this.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:24:50 – 2:24:51)

Sure.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:24:51 – 2:24:55)

For the $30,000, you did receive that [inaudible] note, correct?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:24:56 – 2:24:57)

Correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:24:57 – 2:25:03)

Okay. So… I guess in some respects, you know, if you…

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:03 – 2:25:04)

Wait. You better clarify that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:06 – 2:25:07)

So…

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:07 – 2:25:14)

It’s something like… Did you receive… If you have an actual certificate…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:17 – 2:25:18)

From Conversion Solutions?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:25:19 – 2:25:21)

We have a contract.

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:23 – 2:25:24)

There you go.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:25 – 2:25:29)

Okay. So you have a contract, but not a preferred note.

Right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:25:30 – 2:25:31)

Not a note. [Rochelle: Right.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:25:31 – 2:25:57)

Okay. Yeah. So, again, I don’t…

I don’t practice law. I’m not a lawyer and so forth. But it sounds like if you feel that you didn’t get $30,000 worth of value, then yeah, it makes sense to get a lawyer and say, look, you know what?

Here’s the contract. We gave them $30,000. The contract says we’re supposed to get X in return.

And let the attorney decide whether or not, you know, you guys are due anything.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:26:00 – 2:26:09)

Rufus, how then can we get the certificate? Since that would be the next step from your perspective, correct? If we have given you the investment.

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:10 – 2:26:13)

Ma’am, you totally missed what I said to you if you asked me that question.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:26:13 – 2:26:18)

No, I understand. You’re telling me to get an attorney. But what I’m saying is that the process…

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:18 – 2:26:19)

Wouldn’t concern my [inaudible].

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:26:20 – 2:26:36)

Would be we would give you the investment. We have the agreement signed. And then…

If I’m asking you then, when do we get the certificate? How does that work?

[Mr. Harris] (2:26:37 – 2:27:26)

It will be handled through your attorney. Look, you can get an attorney opinion letter from us. Call any 144A Reg D attorney out there.

Anywhere. And they’ll write you attorney opinion letters based upon your agreement. Get that.

And turn around and present that to the company legal. Okay? And then it will be responded accordingly.

It’s a legal way to do the process, okay? I’m trying. I’ve explained this.

And like I said, it went from a huge number down to this. And I’ve had very little tolerance from the activities that went on. Your husband.

At the farm. The comments he made to multiple people. I have very little tolerance.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:27:29 – 2:27:29)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:30 – 2:27:37)

All I can advise you, get an attorney. Get an attorney opinion letter.

Turn around and write a letter back to the company. And you’ll get a legal response.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:27:38 – 2:27:44)

And you will give us… [Rufus: Inaudible]. You can give us… What we paid for.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:27:47 – 2:27:49)

Is that… Did you hear that, Rufus?

[Mr. Harris] (2:27:53 – 2:27:58)

Ma’am. I think your attorney opinion letter will shock you.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:28:00 – 2:28:00)

I’m…

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:01 – 2:28:09)

Okay. [Rochelle: I didn’t hear that.] If you can achieve that… I think your attorney opinion letter will shock you.

And then your question will become irrelevant.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:13 – 2:28:24)

So… First thing… First thing’s first.

Regardless of what they want. Whether they want their money back. Whether…

Whatever they want. You’re saying the next option is that they have to. Regardless of circumstances.

They need to get an attorney.

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:25 – 2:28:28)

Yes. They need to either get an attorney opinion letter or an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:28 – 2:28:28)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:29 – 2:28:30)

In that scenario.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:30 – 2:28:31)

Okay.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:28:31 – 2:28:33)

And if we get this letter, then you…

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:33 – 2:28:34)

I did not have a problem with…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:28:34 – 2:28:34)

[Inaudible] the agreement.

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:35 – 2:28:43)

With getting everything in place in order. And working ya’ll. To see…

That you…

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:28:44 – 2:28:45)

We get [???] what we paid for.

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:46 – 2:28:52)

With interest. [Inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:53 – 2:28:56)

Okay. What was that part about interest? Rufus, I didn’t hear you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:56 – 2:28:57)

With interest.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:28:57 – 2:28:58)

What about interest?

[Mr. Harris] (2:28:58 – 2:29:00)

I pointed out situations that the SEC… [inaudible] hedge funds…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:01 – 2:29:01)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:01 – 2:29:06)

And that is what they have asked for.

Interest. On my funds.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:08 – 2:29:09)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:09 – 2:29:15)

[Inaudible] profit funding. Indirectly. And directly.

Undisclosed. Uninvolved.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:18 – 2:29:19)

Okay. Alright.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:19 – 2:29:29)

You will fall into that category. My opinion to you.

After our specific circumstances. Is getting an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:32 – 2:29:35)

Okay. So, Rochelle, did you have anything else?

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:29:37 – 2:29:39)

No. I guess that answers my question.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:40 – 2:29:52)

I’m sorry. It doesn’t sound like that’s what you want to be here. It’s just, you know, all roads…

I don’t know if it’s just for everyone. Or just your situation. It sounds like all roads lead to an attorney.

[Mr. Harris] (2:29:53 – 2:29:56)

It’s specifically for your situation. But it is also option two for everyone.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:29:56 – 2:30:03)

Okay. Gotcha. Alright.

Alright. Well, there you go. Thanks for the call.

And I appreciate you guys listening in.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:30:04 – 2:30:04)

Thank you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:04 – 2:30:07)

We’ll see what we can do.

Alright. Thanks, Rochelle.

[Rochelle (Guest Caller – a.k.a. Wife of Ernest Gordon)] (2:30:08 – 2:30:09)

Good night.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:09 – 2:30:35)

Good night. There are some other folks that are also still trying to call in. One moment.

Army guy. The guy that you were liking earlier. It says, please ask Rufus what he thinks of a business plan that takes House Resolution 5522, 5522 as a base of its plan to profit in the United States.

In the year 2007. Do you have any thought on that, Rufus?

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:38 – 2:30:40)

In relation to the [inaudible]?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:41 – 2:30:44)

Well, we’ll get back to that. Let’s go to the phones real quick. Hello, Colin.

[Mr. Harris] (2:30:45 – 2:30:46)

What’s his relationship to the house plan? I understand.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:48 – 2:30:50)

Yeah, hang on real quick. Because I’m trying to bring it…

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:30:51 – 2:30:52)

Hold on one second.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:54 – 2:30:56)

Alright. So, we’re adding…

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:30:56 – 2:30:57)

Can you hear me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:30:57 – 2:31:03)

Yeah, we’re adding a caller. Can you turn down your volume on the radio?

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:03 – 2:31:05)

Yes, it’s down now.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:05 – 2:31:10)

Okay, great. You’re live on the air with Rufus Paul Harris and Simon at Subpenny Radio. Who am I speaking to?

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:11 – 2:31:12)

Simon, this is Steve. How are you?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:31:13 – 2:31:16)

Good, Steve.

You know you’re on the air and we have Rufus on the line, too.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:17 – 2:31:18)

Hey, Rufus. How are you?

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:19 – 2:31:21)

I’m doing great, Steve.

How are you?

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:21 – 2:31:30)

Alright. Hey, Rufus, you know me.

I’m one of the JV partners. Ben brought me on a small project we met a few times out at the ranch.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:32 – 2:31:32)

Affirmative.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:32 – 2:31:49)

Alright. Hey, just a couple questions. I know you’ve got a new property statement coming out with a plan.

Once this thing’s executed and it goes favorably for the way you hope, are you guys still looking into doing some of your JVs or where would we stand?

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:49 – 2:31:55)

Everything is contractually an obligation and has to either be dissolved or moved forward with.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:56 – 2:31:56)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:31:57 – 2:31:58)

Every single one of the joint ventures.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:31:59 – 2:32:03)

Okay. Okay, so then some of these will still be on the table and then others will be dissolved again.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:04 – 2:32:13)

All contracts are on the table. We have not issued any dissolves or anything. The only one we’ve made any action with was AISS and that was very public.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:32:14 – 2:32:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:14 – 2:32:15)

Including the law.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:32:16 – 2:32:37)

Alright.

I hate to contact you this way. It’s been so hard to get a hold of so many people. One last question just to satisfy my wife here.

I want to dwell on the last call because I know ours went pretty well so far, Convertible notes. Are those going to be converted to shares at some point in the near future or what’s the plan on those?

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:39 – 2:32:40)

Any CVSU?

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:32:41 – 2:32:41)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:42 – 2:32:45)

Notes [inaudible] that have been converted to CVSU are part of the 111.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:32:47 – 2:32:51)

Okay.

Will we be actually receiving those shares in our hands at some point, or…?

[Mr. Harris] (2:32:52 – 2:33:02)

Yes, you will. As soon as this is resolved it will go right on through the DTC system and everyone will receive any shares that they are entitled to a Convertible note.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:33:03 – 2:33:09)

Alright. Great news. I hope everything goes well for you and this proxy plan works out good for all of us.

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:09 – 2:33:11)

It’s going to go good for all of us, Steve.

[Steve (Guest Caller)] (2:33:12 – 2:33:13)

Alright, sir. You have a good night.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:13 – 2:33:21)

Alright. Thank you. Bye-bye.

So that is one of the folks that’s actually doing joint ventures with you, huh?

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:23 – 2:33:28)

Yes. That is a pretty good deal out of North Carolina.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:29 – 2:33:32)

Okay. Can you share any details as to what they…

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:32 – 2:33:35)

It’s been put in… It’s been put in press releases in the mail.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:35 – 2:33:41)

Okay. Because there were like 7 or 12 different joint ventures on the table. Which one was that one?

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:44 – 2:33:50)

It was the one in relationship to a C [inaudible] manufacturing plant that was put into press release in an 8K-5.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:50 – 2:33:53)

Okay. When you say CB you’re talking about Citizen Band Radio?

[Mr. Harris] (2:33:56 – 2:33:56)

Yes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:33:56 – 2:33:59)

Okay. Alright. I want to make sure I heard you right.

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:00 – 2:34:02)

No. No. No. CBD manufacturing facility.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:03 – 2:34:04)

Oh, okay. Alright.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:05 – 2:34:07)

CBD, CD, music.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:07 – 2:34:09)

Yep. Yep. Okay.

Got you. Got you. Got you. Alright.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:09 – 2:34:17)

We had large contracts through very large ordering facilities or shelf space.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:17 – 2:34:23)

Okay. Alright. So music entertainment CD manufacturers.

Okay. Very cool.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:23 – 2:34:27)

Anything of that type. Computer, CD-ROMs or whatever.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:30 – 2:34:30)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:30 – 2:34:32)

It was announced. The company’s name and everything is there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:34:34 – 2:34:51)

Right. Now, let me ask you a question. Some folks are curious. You mentioned different routes tonight in terms of lawyer opinion letters.

What does that usually cost? Does it depend on lawyers? Is that like $5,000 or what would you guess?

[Mr. Harris] (2:34:52 – 2:35:01)

I don’t know. A retainer probably to hire a firm. He’s probably going to look to assess it [Simon: Yeah.].

I don’t know, $5,000?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:02 – 2:35:02)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:03 – 2:35:07)

I’m not going to say he’s not going to jack it up after that, but that’s when you’re an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:07 – 2:35:07)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:07 – 2:35:08)

Once you agree to it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:08 – 2:35:09)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:09 – 2:35:18)

An opinion letter, if you hold instruments to include Front Haul, defer… [inaudible]. [Inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:20 – 2:35:26)

Hang on real quick. Let’s go to the phones real quick. Hello, caller.

You’re on the air with Rufus Paul Harris. Who am I speaking to?

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:35:28 – 2:35:30)

I’m sorry. I couldn’t hear you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:31 – 2:35:31)

I’m sorry.

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:35:33 – 2:35:33)

Hello.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:34 – 2:35:36)

Yes. You’re on the air live. Who are we speaking to?

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:35:37 – 2:35:39)

You’re speaking with Faye Harris.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:40 – 2:35:42)

Okay. Faye Harris.

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:35:43 – 2:35:43)

Uh-huh.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:43 – 2:35:45)

Okay. This is…

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:45 – 2:35:46)

What are you doing, woman?

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:35:47 – 2:35:51)

Honey, you’re tired and worn out. I think it’s time you get off and go to bed.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:51 – 2:35:53)

Look at that. Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:35:53 – 2:35:55)

All right now, woman.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:35:55 – 2:36:00)

So this is the better half as in the spouse or is this mom and dad?

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:36:00 – 2:36:04)

This is his mom. And you’re keeping him up much too late and he’s really tired.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:04 – 2:36:18)

Okay. All right. No.

That’s good. Let me ask you a question, though, if I can ask you, Ms. Harris. There’s always been this question of are you actually posting or have you posted on Hot Stock Market or is that someone claiming to be you?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (2:36:19 – 2:36:19)

That’s me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:20 – 2:36:31)

Okay. All right. That’s good.

Because there was always this question of, you know, next time that Rufus is on the radio, have him admit that it’s me, his mom. And so who knows?

[Peter (Guest Caller – Montreal, Canada – a.k.a Strange Days)] (2:36:31 – 2:36:32)

Yep. That’s it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:32 – 2:36:37)

All right. So, Rufus, this lady that we’re talking to, this is your mom.

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:39 – 2:36:40)

I deny.

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:36:44 – 2:36:45)

You better watch it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:46 – 2:36:50)

All right.

All right. Well, very good. Very good.

[Mr. Harris] (2:36:50 – 2:36:51)

You better go to bed, woman. It’s way past your bedtime.

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:36:52 – 2:36:57)

I know. I know, honey. All right.

Your lady needs to [inaudible] go to sleep. You need to go to bed.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:36:58 – 2:37:00)

We all do. All right. Thank you very much, Ms. Harris.

[Faye Harris (Guest Caller)] (2:37:00 – 2:37:02)

Thank you [inaudible]. Good night.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:02 – 2:37:02)

Good night.

[Mr. Harris] (2:37:03 – 2:37:03)

All right. Love you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37:05 – 2:38:57)

That’s a first. That is a first. So I think let me just double check and make sure that I got all these last questions.

There’s a lot of other questions that I’ve not been able to get to. We’ve taken some calls. Appreciate everyone’s patience while we go through here.

Let me see if I can summarize everything, like I try to do. So, in a nutshell, what have we talked about, Mr. Harris? We’ve talked about that you are the real Slim Shady, meaning you are the real, true, bona fide, real McCoy, CEO of Conversion Solutions, that by February 23rd, we’ll give you a little bit of better space.

By February 23rd, you will have issued and bona fide shareholders will have received a proxy. And shareholders that don’t like the situation, they have two options. Actually, they probably have three options.

They can sell their shares for whatever price the market will give them. They can get a hold of the shareholders committee or seek an attorney for a class action suit against Conversion Solutions. Or, thirdly, they can sit out the legal action in court and see what happens.

Those are the three options that shareholders really have. The six-for-one is the big, big question people want to know. What’s going to happen?

Well, you’ve got to wait and see what happens. Is the six-for-one only for Wattle shareholders? No.

If you own shares as of closed business, October 16, 2006, even if you don’t own those shares today, you still are entitled to the six-for-one. And what other highlights have we talked about? You’re looking at possibly creating a new company that will have $50 million in assets.

Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:00 – 2:39:01)

Somewhere in there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:01 – 2:39:11)

Okay. Now, one thing about these assets. These are going to be totally independent of the bonds that are now tied with Conversion Solutions.

Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:11 – 2:39:12)

That is correct.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:12 – 2:39:24)

All right.

So these are brand-new, fresh assets that the SEC can’t say, oh, those don’t exist. This is going to be kind of a fresh start that you’re looking at.

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:25 – 2:39:26)

Irrefutable.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:26 – 2:39:28)

Irrefutable. No one, no one.

[Mr. Harris] (2:39:29 – 2:39:32)

U.S.-based assets.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:39:33 – 2:40:15)

U.S.-based assets. All right. We’ll leave it at that.

And the whole nonsense, because that’s what it may sound like, according to you this evening, the whole nonsense of John Arlett, Mike Alexander, AWJ or AJW, all that is a bunch of nonsense. You’re here to clean up the episode. The rumors about you being in jail, incarcerated, those are not rumors.

That’s actually fact. You had to run in. You were snatched, snared in with a New Year’s Eve party, and all that is cool now.

You’re not calling them.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:15 – 2:40:15)

A victim.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:16 – 2:40:23)

Yeah, you’ve been a victim. There you go. And you’re not calling us from cell block D.

You’re actually calling us from home. Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:24 – 2:40:25)

That is the part of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:25 – 2:40:27)

Okay. Good deal.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:27 – 2:40:30)

Now, this is my one phone call. It turned out to be a very long one.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:30 – 2:40:30)

Well, you know.

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:30 – 2:40:31)

They’ve been very lenient.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:31 – 2:40:53)

Yeah, they sure have. Man, that is definitely not maximum security. I can tell you that.

Could you imagine having one phone call, calling into a radio show, and having everyone call you? Can you get my mom on the phone? Can you get my dad?

[Mr. Harris] (2:40:55 – 2:40:56)

Bomb me out, please.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:40:57 – 2:42:01)

Exactly. And, you know, it’s one phone call, but you’ve got someone on the back end doing these three-way calls to different lawyers to hear and plead your case. But, oh, well, we’ll see.

And we’ll see. We’ll see. I think that’s everything we touched on.

People that feel that they have, how do we say it? Feel that you’ve been involved with the preferred notes or that you’ve got preferred shares and Conversion Solutions and you just feel like, eh, it’s not what you want it to be. Again, you’ve got those three options.

Well, actually, you’ve got two options. You can get an attorney’s opinion letter or you can get legal counsel in one of the two situations, depending on your scenario. And Rufus will be putting out, I think you said, in the next week.

So I’ll give you two weeks. In the next two weeks, you’re going to be giving out a press release with all the new contact information, how people can get a hold of you. Is that right?

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:02 – 2:42:03)

Yes. [Inaudible].

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:03 – 2:42:10)

Okay.

So anything else that I left out from tonight’s marathon?

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:13 – 2:42:13)

Negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:14 – 2:42:21)

Negative. Okay. And you are the only officer right now.

And we’ll see if you start-

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:21 – 2:42:22)

In my reality.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:23 – 2:42:53)

Yes, in your perspective because everyone’s perspective is reality. So Conversion Solutions, maybe tomorrow night we’ll have John Arlett, the OTHER CEO. Of Conversion Solutions call in.

Who knows? We’ll do this all again. No, no, I’m the real Slim Shady.

But thank you, Rufus, for spending the evening with us. Packed house again. So hats off to you for filling in all the seats.

Great job. Great job on that part.

[Mr. Harris] (2:42:53 – 2:42:55)

What location was the largest tonight?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:42:56 – 2:43:17)

Let me actually log in because I don’t, as I said before, I don’t focus on the numbers. I actually don’t ever look at the numbers because if I only have one listener or if I have 500 listeners, I want everyone to feel like they’re the only one listening. So let me actually go here and tell you.

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:17 – 2:43:19)

I don’t care about the numbers. I just think they’re locations.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:19 – 2:43:24)

Yeah, that’s what I’m logging into right now. Let’s see.

[Mr. Harris] (2:43:25 – 2:43:26)

Or state.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:43:29 – 2:45:23)

I’ve got to log into the account. Bear with me just one quick second. And it’ll also give some folks an opportunity to send in a few last messages.

People are still, believe it or not, they’re saying, hey, Rufus, we are behind you. God bless you and your family. You’re doing the right thing.

Some people are saying that tonight. Others are saying, Rufus, we’ve had enough. So full spectrum, full spectrum of listeners tonight.

We’ve had that. Um … Let’s see. People are asking me, do I really believe in your claims that you’re the CEO?

And I’ll say this. Let me give, while I still have you on the phone and while I’m logging into this account, let me give some of my own personal takeaways from this call tonight. I’ve said this, folks, from day one, that I didn’t believe the whole shenanigans that was going on with the shareholder committee.

Go back, go back chronologically and see when did Rufus get voted out by the shareholder committee. You’ll notice, and this is one thing I told you guys in the beginning, it says majority shareholders. Who voted?

Who are those majority shareholders? In fact, one of the questions I asked the SEC when I last talked to them back in November, I said, do you believe this stuff? What do you make of it?

They said, who cares? We’re not even concerned. We’re going after the company.

Who cares who the CEO is? So, you know, I really don’t. Do I believe Rufus is the CEO?

I would say it’s 50-50.

[Mr. Harris] (2:45:25 – 2:45:28)

That was a roundabout way to get to 50-50.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:45:28 – 2:46:32)

It’s 50-50. I think the odds are in favor that Rufus is the CEO. If I had to bet money, I would put my money on Rufus being the real CEO, according to law, legal, and everything like that.

I don’t think the shareholder’s committee was established correctly. I don’t think that everything was done, you know, as it needed to be in order to be legally effective. So, that’s going to be part of the question.

Number two, who were the shareholders that voted? You know, those people were never identified. I’m leaning to that Rufus has always been the CEO.

Is he the CEO now? Well, if he’s always been, then I guess so, prior to the time that he was actually replaced by Mike Alexander. Let’s see.

The other thing is the proxy. I’ll be interested to see, even though I’m not going to get a proxy because I’m not on the NOBO list. I’m sure someone will be able to paste that.

Are you going to make that available on the website?

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:34 – 2:46:39)

Completely. Everything will be in the filings and their website will be completely updated according to the filing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:40 – 2:46:46)

All right. All right. So, by chance, are you going to update the website any time soon?

[Mr. Harris] (2:46:48 – 2:46:54)

No. The information RPR [???] will be out through the filing. With the SEC and the court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:46:56 – 2:47:09)

All right. So, because the website still says that John Arlett is the man. [Rufus: Good, good.] Are you going to change that?

Are you going to leave it as is?

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:11 – 2:47:12)

Until the filing comes out.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:14 – 2:47:14)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:14 – 2:47:15)

I’m not concerned with that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:16 – 2:47:16)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:17 – 2:47:24)

It doesn’t bother me one way or the other. Let them take the calls and answer them and talk to the people. Hey, they want to say they’re the company.

Explain to the people how you’re the company.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:25 – 2:47:36)

Well, according to Joy, no one’s been able to get a hold of anyone. You’re the only person that’s been able to be reached.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:37 – 2:47:39)

All right. That why I said go for it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:39 – 2:47:40)

So, so far.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:40 – 2:47:41)

Plead your case.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:41 – 2:47:42)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (2:47:42 – 2:47:46)

Have fun.

If you grab [???] that dog, deal with it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:47:46 – 2:48:09)

Exactly. So, right now, you asked the question, what regionally here in the U.S., who’s listening to us the most right now? Again, I don’t know who is listening to us.

All I know is geographically we’ve got X number of listeners in parts of the country. Right now, Washington, D.C. is number one, followed by New York. Number three is, take a guess, Rufus.

[Mr. Harris] (2:48:11 – 2:48:14)

You burned me last time. I’m not taking this. Go back.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:48:15 – 2:49:00)

Believe this, it’s Scranton. Scranton is number three. I don’t know where they came from.

They’re up in Pennsylvania. Detroit is number four. Chicago is number five.

Sacramento is number six. Then we’ve got Atlanta, [Rufus: Who’s number six?] Ah, Sacramento, California. Then we’ve got Atlanta, Los Angeles, Oklahoma, Philadelphia, Boston, Tampa, Macon, Seattle, Flint, Dayton, Minneapolis.

Joy and her colleagues are out there listening. San Antonio, Dallas. Wow, San Antonio is actually beating Dallas.

Dallas used to be in the top five. Now it’s down way big time [???].

[Mr. Harris] (2:49:02 – 2:49:04)

They don’t love me no more, I think.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:04 – 2:49:40)

I guess not. I guess not. Salisbury is the bottom of the list.

I don’t know how many cities are here right now. I’ll scroll down the bottom. But country-wise, obviously the United States is listening to us.

Second is Canada. Austria is number three. Hong Kong, number four.

Belgium, five. Japan, Spain, Austria, Korea, Norway, France, Colombia, Germany, India, Italy, Russia, Mexico, and the list goes on. So there’s plenty of countries listening to us right now.

Did you know that people in Japan are wanting to buy Conversion Solutions stock right now?

[Mr. Harris] (2:49:42 – 2:49:47)

Mm-hmm. There are people in Europe that want to buy the stock.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:48 – 2:49:50)

Why do the Japanese want to buy the stock?

[Mr. Harris] (2:49:52 – 2:49:56)

Why ask? They were able to validate documents.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:49:58 – 2:50:17)

Well, I guess it’s a bargain. It’s a bargain price. And we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

But crazy stuff. Again, to respect your mama and give her a big hug from all of us on Radio Land. She’s a celebrity now.

We’re going to actually want her part of the show.

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:17 – 2:50:19)

They actually banned her. It broke her heart.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:19 – 2:50:20)

They banned her?

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:20 – 2:50:33)

They banned her from HSM. When she went out after Mike was puffing this up, it made her so mad. And she went out and posted stating, Wait a second.

Didn’t the FBI see the records that you got from Ruthless [???]?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:33 – 2:50:34)

Oh. Oh.

[Mr. Harris] (2:50:35 – 2:50:48)

And how does John Artlett, CEO of a U.S. company, if he can’t leave [???] a visa? And she went out and they banned her. She cried about that for a day or two.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:50:49 – 2:51:02)

Right. Wow. Well, maybe since she’s been banned from Hot Stock Market, we can make a little spot here for her.

She can call once a week. You know, give us the, uh, Harris Report.

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:03 – 2:51:04)

Don’t you dare.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:04 – 2:51:04)

Why not?

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:06 – 2:51:11)

I will not be your friend no more. Don’t you dare.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:11 – 2:51:24)

It’ll be this week in Rufus Paul Harris’ life. He went to McDonald’s six times and got six whatever.

And that could be interesting, don’t you think? That would be good.

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:25 – 2:51:29)

I’ve got to explain to her that publicity is not what she thinks it is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:32 – 2:51:39)

I think the reason you’d want your mom to be part of the show is you’re afraid that she’s going to have stronger ratings than you. I think that’s the problem.

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:39 – 2:51:46)

No, no. By no means. She can have her own show. I’ll … go for it.

She would be a good talk show host.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:46 – 2:51:47)

I’m sure she would.

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:47 – 2:51:54)

I think the majority of them would wind up disliking her because she’d say, See, that’s where I got mine. Tell it to you like it is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:54 – 2:51:54)

Very good.

[Mr. Harris] (2:51:54 – 2:51:57)

She’ll definitely give it to you like it is. And won’t hesitate.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:51:58 – 2:52:05)

That’s good stuff. That’s good stuff. So, on that note, let me say goodnight.

And when do you think will be the next time that we hear from you?

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:07 – 2:52:08)

I’ll just sit back and wait.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:09 – 2:52:09)

Sit back and wait.

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:10 – 2:52:13)

Yeah, I’m not tired of that. It’s option two.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:13 – 2:52:15)

Yeah. It, you know.

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:15 – 2:52:15)

Get an attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:15 – 2:52:20)

It could be any time, right? It could be next year. It could be next month.

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:21 – 2:52:22)

It could be. It could be tomorrow.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:22 – 2:52:45)

You never know. All right, Rufus. Well, thank you again.

And, again, next time you’re in Washington, D.C., we need to, you know, I need to put, I need to shake the hand of the guy that’s got a heart of America, at least. Everyone’s wanting to see what Rufus is doing, you know. We’ll have to see.

Maybe that show hold [???] a meeting will be here in D.C. like it was last time or was supposed to be last time.

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:45 – 2:52:48)

Well, that’s, it’s got my vote.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:52:48 – 2:52:55)

Okay, Washington, D.C. That’s cool. It’s a beautiful place. It really is.

All right, Rufus. Have a good night, and thank you again for calling.

[Mr. Harris] (2:52:56 – 2:53:02)

You too, Simon, shareholders. Godspeed. And my prayers are with you.

Put my family in your arms.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:53:02 – 2:53:05)

All right. Good deal. Good night, Rufus.

Good night.