SPR Transcript 4

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:00 – 0:03)

Yeah, I think it would be interesting. When’s the last time you talked to her?

[Mr. Harris] (0:05 – 0:19)

Well, I don’t know. Last time I talked to her I tried to get her to pay back $10,000 I loaned her. I heard that [inaudible] good friend and she said screw me or something.

I just have no friends in this world.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:19 – 0:26)

So you loaned her $10,000 and you’re trying to get her to pay you back and she said screw off, huh?

[Mr. Harris] (0:26 – 0:48)

Well, I asked her a couple of times nicely and she just ignored me. But a friend talked to her regularly more than I was and I said, you know, maybe I can talk to her better about it. She was bragging about how she made a million dollars in the last month or something, I don’t know, he was telling me.

I said, ya know, maybe I’ll talk to her about that $10,000 I loaned ya. She said, [inaudible]. She said screw him.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:49 – 0:52)

Well, did she ever get any…

[Mr. Harris] (0:52 – 0:54)

I didn’t get no love from nobody I did with.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:54 – 0:55)

I guess not.

[Mr. Harris] (0:55 – 0:59)

Like I expected. You know, I never expect no love back.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (0:59 – 1:07)

Right, right. But going back to Sabra, did she ever get a salary while she was working as Conversion Solutions?

[Mr. Harris] (1:07 – 1:10)

Yeah, she did. She received a salary.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10 – 1:10)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11 – 1:12)

We received funds from the corporation.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14 – 1:20)

Alright, because I was thinking maybe she was taking that $10,000 as at least getting something out of the deal.

[Mr. Harris] (1:21 – 1:32)

No, no, by no means. That was above and beyond. That was when that gangster that you put on the air with me one night and was scolding at me made me some broken man.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33 – 1:36)

Oh, you’re talking about the, um, Hour Street?

[Mr. Harris] (1:36 – 1:39)

I don’t know, the guy that supposedly bought her house or something.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40 – 1:41)

Bought her house?

[Mr. Harris] (1:41 – 1:45)

Yeah, and he had put $300,000 on it. Yeah, you remember that. I know everybody was there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46 – 1:49)

I have to go back. That one doesn’t ring a bell.

[Mr. Harris] (1:49 – 1:49)

Ernest Gordon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:50 – 1:51)

Who? Which one?

[Mr. Harris] (1:52 – 1:53)

Ernest Gordon.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53 – 1:54)

Ernest Gordon.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54 – 1:56)

Yeah, he put on that night and said, you took $30,000.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:59 – 2:07)

I don’t, well, anyway, I’m sure if we talked about it, it’s on tape. I’m sure. Yeah, it’s very frustrating.

Alright, good deal.

[Mr. Harris] (2:08 – 2:11)

Yeah, I told you it was gangster and when I get done with this, I’m coming after him. Remember that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:12 – 2:21)

Well, I remember you saying that you were going to go after a lot of people. You were going to go after Stock Lemon, you were going to go after MN1, you were going to go after, you know, IHUB.

[Mr. Harris] (2:21 – 2:37)

Yeah, I’m doing a pretty good job of it right now, Simon. Exposing the ring is working pretty good. You can bet your butt on that.

If you don’t believe me, just look how many people around this country are going down right now for pumps and dumps and stock fraud.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:37 – 2:50)

No, that’s good stuff. I mean, that is good stuff. Here’s a question, and it’s not really a question.

It says, tell Rufus to lock the thread and make a new one for Wednesday, May 2nd.

[Mr. Harris] (2:50 – 2:53)

Okay, good idea. It must be after midnight.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (2:54 – 3:17)

It is, yeah. We’re knocking on 1230, but it’s not uncommon when you’re in town. So, here’s another question with regards to, it says, ask why he took it to Georgia instead of D.C. courts. Why didn’t you take it straight to D.C. originally?

[Mr. Harris] (3:18 – 3:26)

D.C. don’t like airing out their laundry. That’s the last place you want to go to air out laundry. All they got to do is throw some money at it and it’ll be alright.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:27 – 3:28)

It’ll be gone.

[Mr. Harris] (3:28 – 3:30)

I’m from Georgia. I wanted to play it in Georgia.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:34 – 3:34)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (3:34 – 3:42)

You know, if the local judge hangs me out to dry, then you know what, it’s my dumb butt’s fault for bringing it out here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (3:43 – 4:02)

Alright, and Army Guy had tuned in late. He said, you know, what is Rufus’s plan in terms of making sure all the shareholders get out of this? Okay, and will we actually see $15?

I guess people are throwing around the $15 figure again. Is that something that you think is going to happen again?

[Mr. Harris] (4:08 – 4:10)

They’re just doing everything they can, ain’t they?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (4:10 – 4:12)

They are. They want answers.

[Mr. Harris] (4:12 – 4:22)

I don’t blame them. I’d be doing the same thing. I’d be asking the same question.

Give me just one second. I’m actually doing [inaudible] they requested…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (4:23 – 4:26)

You’re shutting down that, or not shutting down, but you’re locking down that thread?

[Mr. Harris] (4:27 – 4:40)

Well, we, every time important information is posted, it seems to be disappearing here lately. So, new thread’s up, ladies and gentlemen.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (4:40 – 4:42)

Alright, so he’s got a new thread out there.

[Mr. Harris] (4:42 – 5:06)

That means another $50,000 karma. [Simon: And it says-] But go ahead. [Simon: It says … are you-] There is something in the works. Trust me. [Simon: Okay.] I’ve got things set up.

I’m working with a foreign entity. They have arranged everything with institutions. And it will work. [Simon: Okay. It says that’s ah, just a glitch with ProBoards.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (5:14 – 5:18)

That’s why it does that, I guess in terms of you guys having to close that thread.

[Mr. Harris] (5:18 – 5:30)

Yeah, they call it [inaudible]. Who was it that posted it? [Inaudible] my butt.

It just so happens every time you spit something out about Atlanta Trust, it glitches itself right into existence. [Simon: Okay, now-] More like the Gremlin.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (5:30 – 5:49)

Right, right. So, let me ask you, because I started to ask you about this in terms of the timeline with DeWayne Woods and so forth. So, Atlanta Trust.

Help me with the chronological history. You were the CEO of Broadband and then you formed Atlanta Trust with…

[Mr. Harris] (5:49 – 6:21)

That was later on. There was a couple of trusts in between. Songwe Trust was formed.

Songwe Trust’s purpose was to purchase CVSU. We purchased Conversion Solutions Inc. from an individual by the name of William Kay out of New York.

Which just so happened to be in the business and have the internet symbol of Edgarized.com. They Edgarized SEC documents for corporations. That was what CVSU was at the time of the purchase.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (6:22 – 6:22)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (6:24 – 6:53)

When we purchased it. We take the 125, somehow over the time span, the 125 grew a little bit more. And we purchased corporations on the individual.

As a share of corporations. Songwe Trust and myself as an individual. Our responsibility was to see that Wattle Holdings got converted into Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

That’s how CVSU came into existence.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (6:55 – 6:57)

Alright. So you…

[Mr. Harris] (6:57 – 7:46)

We never filed the SB2 required to take the Conversion Solutions shareholders and the Wattle Holdings shareholders publicly traded. The company was non-traded, but it had a symbol and was listed on the over-the-counter. When we filed our SB2, that would have took us to the bulletin board and publicly traded.

During that time frame is when Front Haul came into existence. But at the same time, shortly prior to that, Sabra Dabbs and Mike Sopinciak, or whatever his name is, came into play. First up in the offices of the corporation.

And then all of a sudden, we just had assets galore. Falling from the sky.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (7:46 – 7:49)

And those assets came through Sabra, right?

[Mr. Harris] (7:50 – 9:41)

Well, Sabra introduced the individuals to us. And she throws big names around. You go and follow them.

At one time, there was an individual from New York. I can’t remember his name right now, but he worked for Rudy Giuliani. He was the one that introduced Sabra to one of the individuals.

I don’t remember how another guy came into play. But there was another individual that came into play. Steven Kennedy came into play somehow with the Humanitarian Scientific Foundation.

But all their assets and D.J. Shackley. Now, I have ran into D.J. previously in wherever my career was prior to Brock Ben and CVSU. And he always had a list of assets, which were verifiable, that he could deal with.

Every time we dealt with these assets in the past in foreign entities, it always required a treasury agent to sign off on the transaction. So previously, I knew the individuals was only up and up. Signed a deal with them, start going forward, and next thing you know, once our institution’s overseas, moves with the Finland Bonds and so on, our guy calls back and said, they’re under lock by the Treasury Department.

They’re encumbered by the United States government, these assets are. They will require a certain signature or entity to come in to release them. As of the communication back to Mr. Kingsby, Mr. Shackley, from that point, was when the next thing I see is our Mr. friend, Timothy Miles, posted, if I’m not mistaken, or was it Orson Street or one of them?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (9:41 – 9:42)

Yeah, they’re the same, one and the same.

[Mr. Harris] (9:42 – 12:02)

Posted a CMB prior to anybody ever seeing the CMB. No one had ever had that communication about the CMB. I call Mr. Kingby about the CMB and say, where did this come from?

It’s got your stamp on it, your seal on it, so on and so on. The next thing I get from that is, well, we want to renegotiate our deal. So you sign a contract with a public company agreeing upon a certain amount of profit of generation that’s off of their assets, but yet you want to renegotiate it because of a CMB that makes itself into the market, public market, causing a crash of $4 downwards.

I just found that very blessed ironic. And I told the individual before he would talk to me again, said, anything you’ve got to say in writing, maybe just to say I never heard another word from you, crook or punk or whatever you want to call them, after that communication about putting it in writing. So here we are today. [Simon: Okay. So, you said that you knew some of these individuals, in your former career before Broadband. What career was that?] I don’t know. I don’t. All I knew is I would get phone calls from multiple international individuals, from Hong Kong, all over the world. And they would have assets.

They were always government bonds, such as what you have seen, the Venezuelan Bonds or Finland Bonds, or so on and so on. And they would bring them to me, and I would arrange for an institution or someone from whatever career it was that I had to arrange financing for. I would call people in Hong Kong, people in Europe, here and there.

Particular times we’ve seen stuff. I’ve spoken to people at the bond desk, at UBS, and so on and so on. [Simon: So, Rufus, Rufus. When I ask you the question before Broadband, what was your career, and you say you don’t know. You just receive phone calls from international you know-] That’s true, sir.

It’s not a lie. I can testify to it on the Bible. [Simon: Rufus, come on.] I can [inaudible] to an individual. [Simon: So you’re telling me it’s a case of mistaken identity-]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (12:05 – 12:19)

It’s kind of like, you know, catch me if you can. [Rufus: It’s not mistaken identity, you know, it’s just stuff I was into, I arranged financing for high-end government bonds. It just started one day…] Out of the blue. [Rufus: Out of the blue. [inaudible] [Simon laughing] No lie. I don’t know. [Inaudible] on my lap one day. I arranged the bid. We had gold bonds. I’ve dealt with U.S. Treasury Bonds. I’ve dealt with U.S. Treasuries.]

[Mr. Harris] (12:36 – 13:15)

The last big deal I’ve seen was a guy bought me a couple hundred million dollars worth of U.S. Treasuries and changed it on the gray screen, which is quote-unquote referred to as the bank screen, the information to benefit us. And I told the individual I wouldn’t want to be him because only the U.S. government had the authority to do that. And the next thing I know, the FBI stormed their office in California and arrested a bunch of people. So…

Don’t know, dude. [Simon: You don’t know. So-] Don’t know. I don’t know. [Simon: Out of the blue.]

Just something that’s been going on for a while for me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (13:15 – 13:16)

Out of the blue. You just get-

[Mr. Harris] (13:18 – 14:50)

Out of the blue. Never received a paycheck on it, no one. I don’t know. I’ve just always gotten phone calls on these deals.

I’ve got a list of names that will rock your world. [Simon: How did these people get your phone number and your name?] Don’t know. I would just get a phone call one day, and the person would say, this person called me from here and told me to call you. [Simon: And did you know the person that they referred?]

Well, I had dealt with the person that they referred to, and I would go from there. What you got? Such and such, such and such.

Send it to me, I’ll look at it and see if there’s anything I can do with it. That’s how it went. [Simon: And you would never get paid?] Well, I’m not going to say I would never get paid.

I’ve always managed to make it alone. I have, you know. I’ve always managed to make it.

My family’s been decent over the years, but no, I’ve never received a 1099. The funds that I received was always in an alternate manner. At one time, I put a deal together with a guy out of California by the name of Mark Molenda.

I put him to the forefront. On the end, it was an ICD, International Certificate of Deposits, for multi-billions of dollars. Put him together with the Mormons Bank.

They went to D.C., closed the transaction, put it together. Next thing I know, the guy’s rolling in the buck. He’s moving the firm Moodys [???].

Mark Molenda.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (14:51 – 14:54)

Mark Molenda. He was with the Mormons Bank?

[Mr. Harris] (14:54 – 22:22)

I don’t know. I could look it up and go back. Pull the computers up.

All that stuff saved in the safe. I don’t know, baby. That’s the honest-to-God truth. [Simon: All right. Let me ask you, cause you say you get your funds in alternate methods. So, people would basically load up these MasterCard, American Express, Visa debit cards with cash and you would just go spending-] No. No, no. [Simon: Like a congressmen, right?] No. I’d just receive somebody to show up and give me cash, and that’s how I went along. [Simon: In a suitcase with a handcuff? Is that right?] No. No, never in a handcuff. [Both laughing.]

That’s how it is. The last thing I put together, which started all this, to be honest with you, the last thing I can remember to prompt it was I put together an airport deal very, very large deal. I don’t know, maybe seven, eight hundred pages of documents for an airline.

It was called Puerto Rican Airlines. Some individual out of New York came to me with a deal. I put it together.

He worked for Delta. Was an ex-pilot, but he was an instructor at the time. He came to me with an idea, and I put together a business plan.

I, at that particular time, worked as a consultant for Birmingham Steel in Cartersville, Georgia. Birmingham Steel was on the verge of going bankrupt. They had just come out.

We’re in the middle of a lawsuit with Cargill, largest international shipper and so on. Their ship, their third ship coming over with parts for the steel mill on it partially sunk. It didn’t sink.

It sunk down where everything was covered with water. A lot of the equipment was lost off the deck and so on and so on. I put a package together which was, I think that package was about 4,000 plus pages per copy in the lawsuit against Cargill, Lords of London and so on and so on.

Previously, my involvement in the transaction, they had disagreed to they had refused Lords of London and the other institutions had refused to settle for $2 million because it had been on for years and that was actually the cost of Birmingham Steel’s attorney at that particular time. They had refused for that settlement. I put a package together.

They went to court. Two days of court. The judge stopped the court.

You can check it out. It was in Savannah, Georgia. The judge actually said to them, I put together a CD that explained everything, showed photographs of all the equipment coming off the ship and so on and so on, all the losses to the corporation.

The judge actually told them, I’ve only done something similar to this one other time in my career. He told the principals of Cargill and Lords of London, either you settle this or the next time you come to my court, bring a blank check and I’ll settle it. I think I actually settled it for $14 to $17 million.

I think the rest was attorney fees on top of that. From that package with the airline, I throwed in a steel mill reform program. All the steel mills at that particular time were going bankrupt.

Birmingham Steel, a lot of steel companies in the U.S. were all at that particular time crashing. One person said to me, you know, you could pick up all the steel mills in the United States of America for pennies on the dollar. So I said, hmm.

I put together a huge package. That led to introduction of certain individuals in the Republican Party who my package got to. My package was to buy all the bankrupt steel mill companies in the United States of America.

And I throwed a little twist into it. At that particular time, an individual from Fluor Daniels, who was an engineer, had worked on a project in Canada bringing up ore. He told me there was 800 years of titanium ore sitting actually above the ground that just needed to be processed in Canada.

Contact after contact led to me reaching the guy that ran the facility. We went through the situation. I included it into it.

And I formulated a project called New Steel, which would have been a huge tax break to this company if it had started up and purchased all the bankrupt steel corporations. It was a couple of billion dollars. I think it was about a $14 billion transaction when I say a couple.

And it would have bought all the bankrupt steel industries in the United States of America. We would have shipped in the ore from Canada. We would have formulated a new product and made steel stronger.

We would have blended old steel with titanium ore, making a new steel product. And the next thing I know, I was in this game. That’s what led to it.

Plain and simple. No if, ands, or buts. From the context of all the phone conversations with Canada and so on and so on, I’m here today. [Simon: So it was because of that New Steel deal, that everybody became aware of who you were?]

The New Steel deal led into I’ve met a lot of individuals over that. I’ve talked to people overseas. It’s kind of complicated.

There was a steel mill in Thailand, a plate mill that had just recently went under, which could produce a lot. The owners of it was out of China. I mean, one thing just led to the next.

Over the years, I have seen some stuff. I’ve received a phone call from Malaysia in the past with somebody with two to three billion in the old Malaysian dollars that you couldn’t even bring into the system in the banking system. I’ve seen a lot of stuff.

I’ve seen the old boxes. Black boxes. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of that.

Things of that type. Old stuff that was shipped to foreign countries after World War II where the United States helped their economy and ship over certificates, gold back and silver back. I have seen everything, okay.

Over the years. You can pretty well name it. Now recently, over the past six months, since all this stuff with the SEC, my phone calls from international individuals have more or less ceased to exist. There’s only one or two that contact me and say, we’re with ya, bud.

We’re with you all the way. The rest run for the hills.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (22:22 – 22:49)

Okay. What about all these… I’ll get back to that comment about most people have run to the hills because of the SEC.

Earlier, we were saying that Sabra is basically doing her own thing, turning millions and millions of dollars around. I still don’t understand why she’s such a rainmaker, why she would borrow $10,000 from you. That doesn’t make sense, but-

[Mr. Harris] (22:49 – 24:33)

I don’t know. That was just old poking-the-rib type deal. You understand? [Simon: Sure. Sure.] I told you I was going to poke several people in the ribs tonight. She happened to be one of them. [Simon: What about Ben Stanley?]

I’ll call you back and we won’t have no issue. Go ahead. [Simon: What about Ben Stanley? Are you guys still on good terms?] I love that man to death.

That’s how I got into Broadband. He contacted me, and a friend of his by the name of Keith McAllister was mixed up in the Broadband stuff, and they were having issues. I actually put my investigation into it and researched and told them I’m not interested.

I had a board meeting with all the board members of the corporation, and I told them I elect… I’m going to give my vote to Ben. I feel this in a year and a half we’ll end up in federal court with all of you involved.

I’m just not interested. If Ben wants to proceed forward with his friendship with these individuals, I’m there for him. That’s what led into Broadband.

I stuck with it because I’m a man of my word. I’m going to tell you that. All the way to when it went into federal court and situations, everything that was in that was 100% real.

There was $31 million. There was a $100 million insurance guarantee supported by the Lords of London and American We [???] and so on and so on. That was provided to the bank.

It was all documented. It was put into a public company, but what I had come to find out is in the situation, is that that company was not supposed to have but like 100 million or a little less by 87 million shares traded in the market. [Phone conversation goes down.]

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[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (25:12 – 30:01)

And welcome back to subprime radio.

Man, I’m telling you, I have no idea what is going on, people. No idea. I’m talking to Rufus about to ask him a question and he’s not there.

And I send a message to someone on messages and they’re not there. And then I realize, wait a minute, have I lost my connection? And I look over and I see there’s zero listeners.

I think, wait a minute. So I look at my broadband connections because I have redundant systems and I’m looking at the modems and they’re flashing. They’ve lost connectivity.

So anyhow, maybe it was a fluke, maybe it was coincidental. I have no idea. It’s one of those weird things, folks.

Crazy. So what I’m actually doing right now is … ah … shutting off the instant message accounts just so that everyone can be… Because it’s telling me…

Actually, let’s do this. Let me try to get everything back up. People on Yahoo cannot reach me yet.

Still trying to bring the system back up. Just bizarre, bizarre stuff. And did I lose…

No. I’m just making sure I didn’t lose connectivity again. Trying to figure out what’s going on.

Hold on. Making sure that everybody can still reach me. Alright, so that should be, that should do it.

Alright, so everyone should be able to reach me through instant message now. And it seems that they know how to shut you down. Well, I don’t know who they is.

We’ll have to wait and see. Yeah, Big Brother is watching. That’s what everyone is saying.

It’s… It is too funny. So, yeah.

I don’t know if we can get a hold of Rufus again or not. It’s interesting stuff, to say the least. And…

I mean… I have no idea. Alright, so Sherry can hear me.

Good deal. Alright, yeah. Like I say, I have no idea what happened there.

But… Let me see if I can actually reach out to Mr. Harris. See if he’s got any energy left in him.

We’re gonna see if we can get him back on the phone. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they shut him down too.

Trying to see. Bear with me. We’re gonna get a… [Simon dials Rufus]

Alright, so… Getting voicemail. Getting voicemail on that message, so either his service went down on that side or whatnot.

But, yeah. So we can’t actually… Can’t actually get him back on right now.

We’ll have to wait and see if he actually finds another means of communicating to us. That is bizarre stuff, folks. You know?

Some of you have actually said… And right now I’m just filling time just in the event that Mr. Harris finds another way to contact the show. And…

My system is back up. Operational. I was able to make a phone call out to that number.

And we’ll see what happens. But a lot of you had been listening to the show for a little while. You’ve heard me ask you to take a look at the Aaron Russo film out at Google because Aaron Russo who was famous for managing Bette Midler and also the director or producer for Trading Places with Eddie Murphy and so forth.

He’s actually spoken out about the government. He’s talked about the Federal Reserve, the IRS. A lot of you are into Alex Jones who’s a big talk show person out in Austin or Houston, Texas.

Maybe Austin, Texas. And he’s saying it’s not about Republicans. It’s not about Democrats.

It’s about the government against the U.S. citizens. I don’t know if any of this stuff is true or not. But the way Rufus is talking about the stuff that he’s talking about it’s kind of interesting.

Let’s see if we can get someone on the phone. Hello, caller. What’s up?

Who am I speaking to? Hello? Caller. [Rufus: Hey bud.]

Oh, there you are. [Rufus: Yeah.] I was telling the listeners that it’s really bizarre what’s going on these days with you getting shut down on your cell and then me losing connectivity.

[Mr. Harris] (30:01 – 30:07)

I shut down the second one previous then [???]. It doesn’t work anymore. But this one’s backed up.

I just tried it and this one’s backed up.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:09 – 30:24)

Who knows? And some people are actually saying that Big Brother is watching and listening to this conversation. I don’t understand what the big deal is.

It’s not like you and I are talking anything that’s a threat to national security.

[Mr. Harris] (30:25 – 30:27)

If I started naming names, it might be.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (30:31 – 30:52)

What I was actually starting to ask you and, again, I don’t know what part of the conversation I was cut off, but I was about to ask you if you knew of a particular name, if this name rung a bell, and then boom, I lost connectivity. But that name I was going to ask you about was William Trubeck. Does that name ring a bell to you?

[Mr. Harris] (30:52 – 31:01)

It does sound familiar. [Simon: Okay.] It does sound familiar. It doesn’t ring a bell right off hand, but the name does sound familiar.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:01 – 31:03)

Okay. Yeah, um…

[Mr. Harris] (31:04 – 31:05)

Tribeck.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (31:06 – 32:07)

Well, T-R-U-B-E-C-K is the last name. [Rufus: It does sound familiar though.] I guess the individual sent me a link. It’s basically talking about Waste Management Incorporation. [Rufus: Uh-huh.]

They’re a big outfit. In fact, I’ve heard rumors years ago, years ago, when Waste Management first came onto the scene that they were actually operated in and controlled by the mafia of some sort. And again, I don’t know if that’s true or not.

But the reason that they threw me this link was in this press release back from June 3, 2004, so it’s a little old. It’s old information. It says, Waste Management names Duane Woods, Senior Vice President of the Western Operating Group.

And apparently, Duane Woods, I don’t know if it’s the same person that you were talking about, but Duane replaced this William Trubeck. So to your knowledge…

[Mr. Harris] (32:07 – 32:20)

Duane’s had some very interesting stuff over a period of time, what I would call friendship-building. He showed me some very interesting stuff. Some of the most interesting stuff that I had seen of him was all from Russia.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:21 – 32:21)

From Russia?

[Mr. Harris] (32:22 – 32:36)

Russia. It was all Russia. He had actually signed a deal at one time with Pakistan to start a new country on an island.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:38 – 32:40)

Start a new country on an island?

[Mr. Harris] (32:40 – 32:43)

Yeah, take an island off the coast of Pakistan.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:44 – 32:44)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (32:44 – 32:49)

I’m not thinking with some other countries involved, but U.S. It was a very interesting deal.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (32:51 – 33:07)

Okay. Let me ask you, actually, if you could speak up a little bit, because some folks are actually telling me that you’re talking pretty soft right now. I’ve got on my side the volume all the way up.

Go ahead and say something real quick for me.

[Mr. Harris] (33:07 – 33:30)

Just some very interesting stuff that I’ve seen out of him from Russia. He brought in all the majority of the subsidiaries, which was Point Click and Dream, which was a lottery in the U.S., which also brought in a contract for the Russian lottery. That was very interesting at that particular time. Um…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (33:34 – 33:38)

Now, is that joint venture still a go? Because I think one…

[Mr. Harris] (33:38 – 34:23)

Well, the guy has called several times from it. He’s interested in proceeding forward with an outstanding deal. It was very influential.

There was a lot of congressmen on the Hill very interested in that. That is the future of the lottery, by the way. A secure Internet way which…

Why go to the store and purchase when you can purchase it at home? The only problem with the situation is 99% of online purchases are done via credit card. There’s laws passed to prevent the use of credit cards by lottery tickets.

It’s like gambling with borrowed money, more or less.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (34:24 – 34:42)

Well, a lot of people already do that. They do that in the stock market. People take out a loan against their interest.

Either their home equity loan or they take a zero interest loan offer for 12-15 months on their credit card. They start gambling with that money in the stock market.

[Mr. Harris] (34:43 – 34:49)

Sure. Sure. But there is regulations to prevent that activity. Directly.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (34:50 – 34:50)

Okay. Right, so-

[Mr. Harris] (34:52 – 35:35)

That was the only downfall of the Point Click and Dream. Callejo Gourmet Coffee, Federal Chamber of Commerce, if you remember the Federal Chamber of Commerce, which I was way, really behind. I felt the Federal Chamber of Commerce would have winded up one day replacing Medicare if it was used.

It was all outstanding ideas that were subsidiaries that were brought into Wattle. Callejo Gourmet Coffee which had a contract with Walmart, put a coffee shop in Walmart. That was a good deal.

Callejo just had too many skeletons in the closet.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (35:35 – 35:41)

Right. Well, you’re saying was, as though those joint ventures are no longer possible.

[Mr. Harris] (35:42 – 36:42)

No, I’m not saying any of them are not possible. As a matter of fact, several of them still call repeatedly saying we’re going to get our funding and proceed forward. It’s just, what has happened here is put everything on a halt.

Actually, the day after the SEC halted the corporation, when I come back from the Federal Court that day, my instruction to all officers of the company was do not return to the office again. Leave everything sitting there. Leave the computer sitting.

Leave everything where it is and we’ll deal with this in the court. Mr. Chapin had taken it on himself to return to the offices repeatedly for an extended amount of time, which I did not approve. Then Dabbs went into the office a few times, but she eventually took my advice and stopped going to the office.

Are you still there?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:43 – 36:44)

I’m still here, yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (36:44 – 36:44)

Okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (36:45 – 37:02)

I’m just making sure we didn’t get disconnected again. Yeah. That’s interesting.

Even after you had reiterated to Ms. Dabbs, Mitch continued to just show up and do what?

[Mr. Harris] (37:02 – 37:10)

He went to the office and speaked with your shareholders. Even after I was told that he would be terminated, he continued to go to the office.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (37:12 – 37:23)

Okay. Who was the person that actually left Conversion Solutions because they were given a very good offer that they couldn’t resist and it was a conflict of interest? Was that Mitch or someone else?

[Mr. Harris] (37:24 – 37:25)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (37:25 – 37:42)

Yeah, I thought there was someone that was part of your board that left because they were also part of another company that may have been a conflict of interest or they were given a better deal, and so they separated from Conversion and went back to the original company they were working with?

[Mr. Harris] (37:45 – 37:48)

Uh… I do not know.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (37:48 – 37:48)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (37:49 – 37:51)

I’m not aware of that information.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (37:52 – 37:52)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (37:53 – 37:56)

No one actually left the corporation, to be honest with you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (37:57 – 37:57)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (37:59 – 38:07)

The only conflict of interest that ever arose was several attorneys when they were approached to come up to be conflict of interest.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (38:09 – 38:10)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (38:11 – 38:11)

For one reason or another.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (38:12 – 38:31)

Right. Now, with regards to NetBank, because at one point you had said, you know, keep an eye on NetBank and you know, I guess that was kind of, some people may have taken that as a possible partnership or acquisition. Do you have any updates?

[Mr. Harris] (38:31 – 38:50)

They approached me for some help, possible help, and I just looked them up and kind of what they were into seemed very interesting. I could see NetBank making something once they got past the problems that they currently had. [Simon: Okay.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (38:54 – 39:12)

Now, at one point we were talking, I think it was on the last show, that you called into. You had said that you and Ben had been looking at some different deals that had nothing to do with bonds, but that would be asset-based.

[Mr. Harris] (39:12 – 39:49)

That’s correct. We have looked at multiple deals. We’ve looked at quite a few deals.

Oil deals, to be more precise, to put into the company because of where the commodities market is heading in oil. And the only reason we never went ahead and pushed forward with the deals is currently we’re past to solve our situation with the SEC. And these deals were hot potatoes in your hand and you either moved on them immediately or you did not.

They will put their avenues.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (39:50 – 40:13)

Okay. And with that, going back to the question of the lawyer for the corporation because some people are still concerned about the fact that you haven’t answered the question beyond having lawyers retained, do you actually have someone handling the situation for Conversion Solutions with the SEC?

[Mr. Harris] (40:14 – 42:23)

Negatory. Do not. And everyone that we’ve went through the process with, you’ve got a very long question process.

They want to do a 120% due diligence. Once you go through it, they come up with the way that they want to proceed before you give them their… They have a full assessment.

They take their whole firm, they look at it and say, okay, it’s going to take four of our guys constantly working for the next month to prepare to do this. We want a $250,000 retainer or we want a $100,000 retainer to start. We see it reaching $2 million to proceed forward at this point.

I do not in any shape, form, or fashion today have found an attorney to give the correct response. I don’t want to go and unwind the merger. Okay?

The shareholders are innocent here. They’re not wanting anything that is going to affect the shareholders. I don’t want to lose 5,600 shareholders in a market, whether or not they were sold illegal shares because they’re innocent.

They are the ones that lose. They are the ones that pay. They are the ones that bought the stock at the high prices from the illegal market makers that sold it to them or the brokers firms or the banks that jumped on board and sold them the stock.

You know, I just cannot say doing anything is going to hurt the shareholders. That’s just me. [Simon: Right.] So, I would not proceed forward with it.

But every time someone looks at it and looks at the legalese of it, the first thing they fire back is, damn, these guys made a fraudulent statement in their merger agreement with you. Well, yes, but the majority of these shareholders bought off of the file. So, they need to come with it.

And that’s how I approach it. That is the very reason we have not proceeded forward with any attorney.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (42:25 – 42:45)

Okay. And I guess, you know, earlier when we first started the call, you were saying that if you get, if all the claims or charges against you as an individual are dropped, that then will parlay into the same decision for the corporation. Have you found any?

[Mr. Harris] (42:45 – 45:35)

Well, let’s go. Let’s look at it this way. SEC is saying all the instruments and everything is fraud.

Well, they’re going to have to prove that in a court, correct? You just can’t say it and not provide it to a jury. [Simon: Right.] You’re going to have to convince people.

You’re going to have to show them why and how and go from that where we are. Okay, good, fine and dandy. Well, guess what?

I was a victim too. That’s what you’re going to say. Now, I want every person that perpetrated this to include the people that benefited and sold the illegal shares.

There should have been NO MORE than 31 million shares changed hands. That was the public, legal amount of the float. It traded the float within a few days.

Immediately. And then it just kept on and on and on and on. You’re not going to tell me or convince the jury that it rotated.

Everybody just kept selling and selling and selling their shares and buying them back and selling them and buying them back. It ain’t going to happen. So, you know what?

Produce the records. Show us all the trading activity of all the institutions and you’ve just uncovered the illegal activities that went on. If you want to say there’s fraud, then you need to look at the people that sold the illegal shares and benefited from it.

Because that is who made the money. Follow the flow of the money. There’s no denying it.

You want to talk about a pump and dump? I agree with you. There was a dump.

But no one in Conversion Solutions benefited from it. No one. You’re not going to find that whatsoever.

You’re not going to find myself, David Bass, Ben Stanley, or any of the officers and directors of the company benefiting from a dump. It ain’t going to happen. What you will find is a [inuadible] is the word I’ll use that benefited.

Huge, orchestrated legal organization and put them in jail. I want you to put them in jail. Lock every person up that sold the illegal shares to the shareholders of their corporation.

And if you don’t, you’re chicken crap.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (45:36 – 46:32)

So it sounds like that. If I can interject here, it sounds like, based off of that, because you’ve been saying the same thing, you’ve been pretty consistent with that line or those statements. And I guess what you’re really targeting aren’t your primary focus is really the brokers at this point.

Because they’re the ones that are responsible for selling the shares, taking the funds out of shareholders’ accounts, or I shouldn’t say shareholders. Prior to them becoming shareholders, they take funds out of their account holders, whether it’s Ameritrade, Scottrade, E-Trade, Schwab, Merrill Lynch, whoever it is. They’re taking money and they’re not delivering legitimate certificates or shares, in a sense.

And that’s who you want to go after? Is that fair?

[Mr. Harris] (46:33 – 49:43)

You can’t have 31 million shares at the time of the merger by ADP’s number. The first number they sent was 160 million. Then that number miraculously changed to 130 million.

By the time it was all done, 31 million had changed. 30 million had changed by DTC, 31 million had changed by ADP. That was the total amount of legal, electronic shares trading in the market.

But yet, at the point I called for the DTC numbers and the ADP numbers, we had already traded several hundred million. Already. In the market.

Now, what does that show to everyone? That was what I tried to put out by posting the NOBOs and the LOs and the DTC numbers. You cannot trade an average of the majority of your float in three months.

You can’t trade 300% of your float in a month. You can’t trade 900% of your float in three months. It’s illegal activity.

That’s the exposure here. That is what everybody is going to see, or they’re going to put a bullet in between my eyes. Because I’m not going to stop preaching it. [Simon: Right. Now-]

I put it all out for the public to see. I told all to copy it, document it. Then it happens.

The next thing you go, we’ve been doing some crazy stuff here, dude. All of a sudden there’s a shareholder committee. I asked for a shareholder committee to be formed.

Boom. They take over a company. Somehow the transfer agent gets with this newly formed shareholder committee and takes over a corporation.

Attempts to take over a corporation. Violating the state of Delaware, SEC rules and regulations, company bylaws, and it was all there for you to see. I knew it was going to happen.

It’s the same thing on the Broadband. It’s the only alternative. Once they understand you got them by the kahunas, and you’re exposing them, they have to make a move.

Their only move is to immediately get a control of it, get some filings out. Here’s the problem I have with the SEC. This is why I say, hmm, the SEC immediately have not jumped on.

All of a sudden, 159 million shares being filed in the next filing that went out from the transfer agent and the new shareholder committee, John Arlett, James G, and the group. We went from 31 million, 62 million issued, 31 million in the float, to 159 million shares in the market. All in a short time span of months.

Now, if something isn’t illegal there, you know what? I’d just, I’d give [inaudible] math up for crap. Because that math don’t work in my business.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (49:43 – 49:54)

No, agreed. So, you’re saying as a CEO, you didn’t issue out those additional shares. However, the only other person that could have done that as a CEO would have been Mike Alexander.

[Mr. Harris] (49:55 – 56:19)

Ah, who knows? You tell me. I don’t know just as well as all the shareholders do.

Because that’s why I let it happen. Everybody starts to put out a press release – I’m not going to fight this. I’ve done the alternate press releases.

In Broadband, they would put out a press release, we would put out a press release. They would put out a press release, we would put out a press release. I filed complaints in Broadband to the SEC to, what the heck is going on here?

You know what? They never did anything about it. I never was contacted back by Broadband for the same group of individuals who linked Michael Holbrook and other individuals.

Never! They never contacted me back. Never once.

The only time they came to me, actually, was they started to question me. The FS. Oh, we want to see an unofficial report of the FS.

So we give them every document on the FS. Hundreds and hundreds of pages. Bank documents showing that the timber deeds were real.

Bank documents showing that the timber harvesting operation was real. Everything that they wanted to see. You know what?

Then you don’t hear from the SEC. All of a sudden, the opposing group pops up in a federal court with some bogus bullcrap. I mean, it’s the very same thing that went on here.

The opposing group didn’t have the funds this time around, or the wherewithal, so the SEC popped up after the 6-1. The immediately response from NASDAQ and the SEC in New York and the NASD when we issued – put out the first release that we’re going to honor the $15 by a 6-1, which was a little bit short, if you know by the math. [Simon: Right.] The immediate response was, okay, we don’t have a problem with this.

But this is how you’ve got to do it. It has to have an ex-dividend date and you have to issue it as a dividend. And I’m like, wait a second.

Now, if I do that, and I agree to that, and I always will, when you’re going to run out there and pump it again and hit it with another 100 million shares in the market, sell another 100 million illegal shares in the market, make you another couple, three for the 100 million, by pushing it, by saying to everybody around, all the market makers go out there and say, ooh, you’ve got these stocks, you’re going to get six more shares and it’s $2, $3. Come on.

I’m not playing the game. But then I did the same thing with them in Broadband. I issued a 10% dividend.

Nobody [inaudible] Broadband. [Simon: Right.] They forced it to be an ex-dividend date. Okay, this wasn’t a dividend.

This was designed in the merger contract as Option C. It was set up from day one to prepare for their response when that came out. We were ready for this all the way around.

From day one, prepared. Years I sat there after they crushed my name and Broadband, followed me into federal court, put me and my family through hell. Once the judge realized what went on, death threats, I had to move my kids from one school, move from a county, go from here.

Uh-uh. I told you I’d be back. Well, here I am.

This time, you know what? Let’s go. Let’s get this over with.

Market, you’re done. You don’t think it’s going to be over from a little old punk from Georgia? Well, just wait and see when that day in federal court comes.

Just wait and see, because I’ve got documents from the transfer agent that the last filing from the corporation was 62 million. The merge agreement stated 62 million. You add all the Wattle shareholders and the CVSU shareholders to the deal, and it brought us up to 111 million.

That’s it. Just a month after the deal was signed, I received a note – ah, ah letter from the transfer agent saying 97 million shares were all the total shares including the restricted shares from Front Haul. 97 million.

An additional 40 million shares above just shot out of it of what was agreed to in the merger agreement. I’ve got the document. [Simon: Right.] [Simon: All right.] I’ve got the email.

You can’t deny it. [Simon: Sure.] [Simon: Now-] All they can do is keep this out of court. [Simon: Okay.] Keep it from being exposed. [Simon: Okay.]

I’ve got this original CD from the ADP saying 106 million free trading shares when the DTC report showed 31 million, 30 million and change. The whole system was imbalanced. The transfer agent’s numbers did not match DTC’s.

The DTC’s number did not match ADP’s. And they can all come back and dance their song and say, oh, we accidentally sent it to them in triplicate. I asked that question ahead of time.

Do you not think before I put out a 106 million press release that there was 75 million short ahead of time? Do you not think I asked the question to ADP? Wait a second, y’all.

According to the transfer agent, there’s only 62. Um, our system loads it in triplicate, but that’s the true number. I don’t know what the transfer agent’s number is.

Now, why is it show each person’s name in triplicate? Because that’s just the way the brokers do it. My comment to the guy was, you know what, sir?

If you’re stupid enough to make a comment to me, I’m stupid enough to press release it. Have a good day. Within 15 minutes, I put out a press release announcing 75 million illegal shares in this company in the market.

All of this happened. This is real. You can’t deny it.

Everybody can throw up smoke screens and try to point everything everywhere else. It’s real. I want the people, people that are responsible to pay.

And I promised you, when you dig, when they dig into AJW all right, or what was it? AWJ or how did you-

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:19 – 56:20)

Yeah, AJW.

[Mr. Harris] (56:20 – 56:50)

When you dig into it, how many hundreds of companies [inaudible]? [Simon: There’s a lot.] [Simon: There’s a lot.] Have you looked? [Simon: Yes , yes.] [Simon: I haven’t-] Hundreds of companies. The majority of those companies don’t even exist anymore. They do not exist.

How many millions upon millions of dollars have been stolen from other shareholders?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (56:50 – 57:39)

Right. Now, let me ask you a quick question if I can. Again, with regards to the bond, ah Romeo, we’ve talked about Romeo, and Romeo is supposed to be a pretty influential individual over in Europe and so forth, well-connected.

If someone actually made the statement that Romeo does not have … Let me back up. What if someone said that Conversion Solutions doesn’t have the bond because they, being Conversion Solutions, never sent the needed SWIFT confirmation for the proof of the bond?

[Mr. Harris] (57:41 – 57:42)

That’s negative.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (57:43 – 57:43)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (57:44 – 59:30)

That would be negative. There’s a whole set of circumstances there that I couldn’t go and explain to you. It would start off with, the first thing was, the Venezuelan government wanted a SWIFT coordinates to SWIFT the bond to our account.

We’d give them a U.S. account out of Utah. There was a whole setup. Okay, from there, they come back and said they didn’t want it delivered to that institution.

It was an offshore structure set up that was designed, and I trust you, if you looked into it, it would shock your mind. 99.9% of all Americans do not even know that that type of U.S. structure can exist. It’s a U.S. structure that allows you to SWIFT funds into the U.S., and they will still be classified as offshore. It was a sovereign situation. They didn’t even know it, but that was the first thing we set up for them. Then the second thing we come back and set up for them was to give them a SWIFT bank account to SWIFT it over to.

Okay. They come back and said that the signatory on that account is not acceptable. Okay, and it was a foreign entity.

I didn’t want to go to SWIFT. I don’t want to leave the country because many times I’ve been threatened that if I leave the country I will be kidnapped and be forced to do things for foreign countries. I said no, so I never left.

I haven’t left the country in a while. After that, we came back with a New York same bank used by the Federal Reserve account to SWIFT it. After that coordinates were given, immediately following that, SEC steps in.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (59:35 – 59:35)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (59:35 – 1:00:29)

Immediately following the communication about sending it to this bank in New York, J.P. Morgan Chase, had an account information. The secondary bank account that that account would have been credited to was a Panamanian bank and they would have SWIFTed it in and it went credited to a Panamanian bank.

The Panama Group stepped up after we started having issues and said we can deal with it. They’re our neighbors. We can deal with it.

We know the story. We know that Chavez is his daughter. Chavez was afraid that he was fixing to be voted out in the election.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The whole story was understood. And yes, it’s all boys.

Trust me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:00:30 – 1:00:47)

Alright, so let me ask you a question because what if Romero has said that there is no SWIFT? You know, what if Romero is the one that’s claiming that there is no SWIFT? That he never received a SWIFT from you guys?

[Mr. Harris] (1:00:50 – 1:01:08)

I doubt that very seriously. Okay. There was not a SWIFT on the first two accounts that was arranged by Romero and the Europeans, but I firmly, I guarantee you when the evidence comes out and they research it, I guarantee there will have been a SWIFT to the third account.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:01:09 – 1:01:09)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:10 – 1:01:48)

And it’s going to be the same old, same old. Once they ask to come in, they never left. They never followed through.

My last conversation with Romero, which was a week ago, maybe two, maybe a week and a half ago, Romero’s fine. They’re just finished up with ministry in Venezuela and they’re ready with everything as we have asked them to do in an ulterior motive, in ulterior way to fix this for the shareholders. So, I doubt very seriously if Romero has anything negative to say.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:01:50 – 1:01:57)

Alright. And, you know, what if people say that YOU have never received a SWIFT from the Venezuela banks?

[Mr. Harris] (1:01:58 – 1:02:03)

Of course I haven’t. [Simon: Okay.] No, I don’t have a SWIFT account for them to SWIFT it into. [Simon: All right.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:06 – 1:02:08)

But what about Conversion Solutions?

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:09 – 1:02:10)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:10 – 1:02:17)

Conversion Solutions.

Do they have an account that the bond could have been SWIFTed into or not?

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:17 – 1:02:21)

Conversion Solutions has arranged three different accounts that I just explained to you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:21 – 1:02:22)

Right, the first two didn’t work.

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:22 – 1:02:29)

All three accounts can be explained to you in institutions and structures, but they will be provided in the court as evidence.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:02:29 – 1:02:30)

Okay. [Simon: Okay.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:02:30 – 1:02:59)

And as one part of the evidence will be provided, it will ask for the federal system to trace certain information.

I have certain SWIFT transaction codes and copies of transacted SWIFTs that have been sent to me by certain individuals where bonds have been sent. And the actual SWIFT screen printout. And it will come out at the right time. [Simon: Okay.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:02 – 1:03:17)

Alright. And another question comes in with regards to Company CSHD to expose the system of naked short selling. What is this?

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:17 – 1:03:20)

No, the purpose was not to expose it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:03:20 – 1:03:21)

Oh, no, no. I’m sorry.

[Mr. Harris] (1:03:21 – 1:04:04)

No matter what, if CSHD would have filed SB2 and went to the Over The Counter Bulletin Board, we would have been hit the same way Front Haul was hit. It would have been hit no different. Front Haul shareholders are already caught up in a massive short position.

Just like Mike looked at me and said, no matter what we do, no matter what we put into the company, no matter how much capital we take, we’re hit. Certain people disclosed to me, and I even spoke to them, were even bold enough to say, I will short your company in the ground if you don’t issue me this many millions of shares. You will not see the daylight.

Your company will never see the daylight.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:04:04 – 1:04:05)

And who was this that made that threat?

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:06 – 1:04:07)

Yes.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:04:07 – 1:04:08)

No, who was it?

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:08 – 1:04:19)

There were several individuals that made that threat that were tied up in the toxic financing and made that threat to me after I took over Front Haul. [Simon: So, when-] And it changed over to CVSU.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:04:20 – 1:04:33)

Alright, so with the toxic financing, the you know, the bad financing, that’s R, not RJ, that’s AJW Offshore and AJW, that’s the Corey Robotsky connection.

[Mr. Harris] (1:04:33 – 1:06:13)

No, that was another place. It went by another three [inaudible], I don’t remember what the name of it was. Had a very cocky – matter of fact, I would swear to you, if I’m talking to the guy it was Joe Figueroa [???], that’s what he sounded like from Broadband days.

Sounded like the same, bunch [???] of guy on the telephone, telling me we’re doing this many, 50 million shares, we want to do a retail. But here’s the deal on the toxic financing. The issue of no shares by the transfer agent and everybody was illegal.

The way that activity, the way those shares were supposed to be issued was by share price. Okay, if the share price reached better than a buck, they wouldn’t own anything. Because they had already received shares in the funding.

Oh, that’s some scary crap. But yet, they still got issued out. They were not supposed to be issued if the share price increased because the funding was given at a smaller dollar amount.

And the way the contract was written in the funding, if you go back and look in the filing from Front Haul, if the share price reached a certain amount, they never got the shares. They were not supposed to get the shares because they had already received the amount of funds. But yet, even though we were at a buck [???] 90, we crashed back after the SEC halt.

They put the company back into a situation where this 50 million shares still got issued. It’s a long, long dance here. And see, here’s a huge thing.

The 50 million shares that Mike and him got and all of this type stuff, it wasn’t filed prior to the merger.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:06:13 – 1:06:13)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:06:14 – 1:08:32)

It was exposed on your show. [Simon: Right.]

Where he was [inaudible] Mike, no you don’t. Read the merger. [Simon: Exactly.] It specifically states this is it.

62 million. We never signed a contract with you to receive another share. You had 14 million free trading broke up between you and your wife.

We agreed for you to retain those because pulling us out of your personal accounts was too long to proceed. So we allowed you to keep those shares. He would have made out like a bandit.

But yet, the pressure, that’s why I’ve always told you, Mike’s probably the one that needs protection here on this situation. Because from daylight to dark, from our meeting in Carsonville, Georgia, to later on, all of a sudden he got his shares and went out and filed them and nobody done nothing about it, including the SEC. They let it go.

And everybody wants to step back and look at me for answers. All I can tell you is, this crap’s happening to us. Every – all this stuff happened.

I can’t explain to you who authorized for him to get his shares. I can’t even explain to you HOW he got them after the merger. All I can tell you is, it wasn’t legal.

Now the SEC is going to look at other things and try to play their little game. They needed to go in after all the illegal activity. It’s correct, visible activity that every single shareholder can see.

You can see it plain as day, but yet nobody wants to talk about it. There was a lot of head-wilding around about people being sure they’re gifted. Where they at?

They’ve accidentally been sold. We’ve had 52 million sold since we’ve been on the [inaudible]. 52 million shares transacted.

A lot of them mirror shares. Are they not real? Is the activity that we’re seeing on screen, is it not real?

Is it just brokers trading behind the DTC line? Well then guess what? If that’s your answer, boy, we have one screwed up system.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:32 – 1:08:40)

Right, and I think a lot of people will agree with you and me when we both say that the system is whacked. You know, it’s- As I said earlier.

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:40 – 1:08:42)

How can you have faith in it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:08:42 – 1:08:43)

Well, you don’t.

[Mr. Harris] (1:08:43 – 1:09:02)

You ask an American investor to even trade in a system that this type of illegal activity can go on? Any of it? How can you?

How can you have American people to trade with [inaudible] and go and cook the books? And people lose it. Pensions lost.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:02 – 1:09:03)

Agreed.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:03 – 1:09:30)

When you add all of the money lost up by all of the American investors, it comes to billions and trillions. Who got it? Where did it go?

I’ll tell you where it went. [Simon: The brokers.] Look at your hedge funds. You had, what, seven individuals to make $14 billion in market manipulation of stock in 2006.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:09:31 – 1:09:32)

Yeah, record bonuses.

[Mr. Harris] (1:09:32 – 1:10:37)

The top seven hedge fund managers made $14 billion. What is wrong with our blessed country when a hedge fund can manipulate stock? You have Kramer, who has his own television show, going out here and boasting.

Well, it’s legal. So what if I called all of the trading desk and said, we’re going to crush this deal? And everybody goes along with it.

Stock prices dive by 30%. We buy the market up. Run it back up and resell it.

It’s legal. That’s manipulation. [Simon: Right.] If you’re telling me that’s legal, then guess what?

Nobody needs to trade in the U.S. system. No one. [Simon: Right. Now if-] If one individual can affect mine and your trading and mine and your investment just because he’s picky and he’s greedy and he wants to make him a billion dollars this year, our system’s whacked.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:10:38 – 1:11:29)

Yeah. Agreed. And I think a lot of people would agree with you on that statement, but here’s the thing. Yes, we know that the SEC is not necessarily doing their job the best that they could, but that said, we have to address the current complaint. And… During the … one of the times that we lost connection, one of the other listeners, Tex, called in and said, well, the whole thing that he’s talking about, naked short selling, in light of the SEC complaint talking about the legitimacy of the ownership of the bond, that’s like basically saying, I’ve got a parking ticket, but I don’t need to pay the parking ticket because it’s not my fault that I had to speed in order to get here, and so forth.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:29 – 1:11:32)

I thought I just went through that, but let me answer that in another way.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:11:32 – 1:11:33)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:11:34 – 1:12:04)

Okay. I thought I had just made very clear. [Simon: Well, you, you-] [???] tell me the bond and all of the stuff, the contract signed and put in your eyes and put in the Carlsville Jury Court are fraud. Good.

Then who perpetrated this? That goes back to when I say follow the flow of money.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:04 – 1:12:04)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:06 – 1:12:07)

Got me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:07 – 1:12:09)

Right. So what you’re saying is…

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:09 – 1:12:19)

This was the purpose of it. Why would I have done something and committed any type of anything without benefiting from it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:20 – 1:12:21)

Yeah, it doesn’t make sense to do that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:21 – 1:12:23)

Hey, it don’t make sense, does it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:23 – 1:12:23)

No.

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:24 – 1:12:47)

No, none whatsoever. Who originated everything? What type of individual in this country would you say that would have the contacts to bring in tons and tons of foreign government bonds?

What type of individual would you say that would be in this country, Simon?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:49 – 1:12:51)

I mean, it would be a…

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:51 – 1:12:52)

What do you think?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:12:52 – 1:12:56)

It’d be an individual that had a lot of connections or, you know…

[Mr. Harris] (1:12:56 – 1:13:01)

Awful bullshit. You’d more or less say it would be some type of agency. Don’t you think?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:13:01 – 1:13:08)

Yeah. They’d have to be, like I say, well-connected politically or, you know…

[Mr. Harris] (1:13:08 – 1:14:46)

Well, trust me, if it was connected politically, it was a political move. That’s what somebody needs to start looking at. Somebody needs to start looking at where the money went.

Who benefited it? Why? You wouldn’t go up and holler bonds that foreign institutions already said the codes in their screens were good.

Alright? And they’re not there today. No, they’re not.

None of the transactions and the codes put in that court, months before the SEC filed. See, that’s the beauty of their situation. That’s why I got everybody.

I had you guys say what you want to say, call me a nut, I got you. I put all the facts in documents. I put it somewhere you’d never look.

I filed it in the real estate department inside Bartow County Courts, and I gave the coordinates out to the common shareholders. Yes, I did. I put it in the press release.

Yes, I did. I exposed it all just for the purpose. Make them disappear.

I don’t care. Make them disappear. Call it a pump and dump.

Because I agree with you, there was a dump. And I agree with you. You give me the instruments, and I pushed them.

And you benefited. Now, who committed the illegal act? Who?

[Simon: Right. It would be the-] It would be the people that received and actually sold the illegal shares.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:14:46 – 1:14:46)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:14:47 – 1:16:13)

Ah.

Go get them, boys. Light them fires, APCs [???]. Do your job.

Do your job and get them. Find out who orchestrated it, expose them, lock them up. Because if they come back to my door again, I’ll do the same thing next time.

I’ll fold in another public company, and I’ll put it out there in front of you. This time, somebody made a stand for this crap in our country and ended it. Well, you know what?

I want a piece of it. I’ve got nine million shares in this company. Who cares if they’re restricted?

I want a piece of it. I want a piece of the rewards. You better believe I do.

I want a piece of the bonds. I’ve spoken to the people in Venezuela. Yes, sirree.

I’ve spoken directly into the country. Yes, sirree. I’ve had foreign bankers tell me it was theirs.

Guess what? If those assets were used, I want a piece of them. I want a piece of everything.

I want a piece of the money from the people that sold the illegal shares. Not only that, I want a piece of all the money from the bonds. Because if the signatories have the authority to sign the contract over those bonds as government agents, guess what?

I want a piece of it. I want a piece of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:14 – 1:16:19)

So, how long do you think it’s going to be before you get your piece of all the action?

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:19 – 1:16:26)

I don’t think it’s going to be too long, dude. I told you, I’m pumping gasoline on the fire. Don’t you think I’m pumping quite a bit of gasoline?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:26 – 1:16:28)

Yeah, you’re dropping a lot of names.

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:28 – 1:16:29)

Tell me if D.C. is burning.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:16:30 – 1:16:53)

No, D.C. is not burning yet. No, not yet. So, we’ll see.

We’ll see what happens. Another question that came in with regards to the Euroclear account, because it takes a certain amount of money to maintain that Euroclear account. [Rufus: $200 million.] They’re asking, is the Euroclear account still in good standings?

[Mr. Harris] (1:16:56 – 1:17:03)

Negatory. All the accounts and the codes that were provided are no longer on the screen, period.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:05 – 1:17:12)

Okay. So, what happens with all those… Because when we were looking at that at one point, it said…

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:12 – 1:17:18)

Well, that’s something I’m not going to expose at this time. That’s something I’ll have to expose in court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:19 – 1:17:19)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:20 – 1:17:22)

But I did give you that answer earlier, to be honest with you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:24 – 1:17:36)

Okay. Alright, so, in terms of the questions asked, is the Euroclear account still in good standing? The answer is no.

Correct?

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:36 – 1:17:43)

None of the screens that were loaded in Conversion Solutions name are still there.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:45 – 1:17:47)

Okay. So, they’ve disappeared.

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:48 – 1:17:51)

They’re all gone. The last thing I was to [???] …

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:53 – 1:17:54)

No, you haven’t gone to…

[Mr. Harris] (1:17:54 – 1:17:55)

Which was fully to be expected.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:17:57 – 1:18:01)

Okay.

But you haven’t gone back to take a look and see, to confirm?

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:02 – 1:18:03)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:03 – 1:18:06)

You haven’t gone back? I mean, because at one point you had the codes and so forth.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:07 – 1:18:09)

That’s something I’m not going to go into.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:09 – 1:18:10)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:10 – 1:18:11)

They are not there. I can tell you that.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:12 – 1:18:19)

Alright. And do you feel that that, because they’re no longer there, do you think that that weakens your case or not?

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:19 – 1:18:20)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:20 – 1:18:24)

Do you think it weakens your position? Does it strengthen the SEC’s case?

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:25 – 1:18:26)

No, no, no. That’s just more evidence, dude.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:26 – 1:18:27)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:27 – 1:18:41)

All it does is prove the case. That’s what you’re missing here. That is exactly what you were missing.

I put all the codes and the actual Euroclear [inuadible] and everything in the court.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:42 – 1:18:43)

In Georgia?

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:43 – 1:18:52)

Everything. There, before months before the SEC filed. Why?

That’s the part you’re missing.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:52 – 1:18:54)

Right. You wanted to be able to go back.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:54 – 1:18:55)

That’s the exposure.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:18:55 – 1:18:57)

In case it did disappear.

[Mr. Harris] (1:18:57 – 1:19:11)

There it is. Look at it. Good.

Let it go. Let the screens record off. Let them back them out.

Good. We’ll be benefited from it. [Simon: [Chuckling].]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:13 – 1:19:17)

Right. We’ll see. A question about Darrell Horton.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:17 – 1:19:18)

[Inaudible] Yeah, pardon me.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:22 – 1:19:23)

I wonder why…

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:23 – 1:19:38)

That’s a fact, dude. You can spin them any blessed way you want. You can spin them all you want.

Everything is there and I put it in the court months ahead of time. I put it in documents for the public to see months ahead of time. No denying it whatsoever.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:19:38 – 1:19:39)

That’s true. That’s true.

[Mr. Harris] (1:19:39 – 1:20:22)

[Simon: Yeah-] You can’t deny. You can say what you want to say. Say it. Okay. Fine.

Pump and dump. Well, I disagree with you. Wasn’t no pump and dump.

People signed contracts. Provided documentation. Institutions verified it.

Here it is. Hundreds of millions of shares were sold. Agreed.

Who benefited? Show me. [Simon: Yeah.] You don’t own the bonds.

Okay. Good. Where did the shares come from?

Where did the shares come from? Who sold the shares? {Simon: RIght.] You don’t see it, do you?

You don’t get the mouse trap, do you?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:20:22 – 1:20:28)

No, I do. You’re saying that you did this all along and it’s actually starting to work in your favor.

[Mr. Harris] (1:20:29 – 1:21:29)

It’s starting to work in my favor, dude, It was planned from day one. I didn’t care from day one.

I suspected fully to have all kinds of international problems on trying to bring the funds in for these bonds. I fully expected it. If the company would have traded 200,000 to 300,000 shares a day, I would have been shocked.

I would have been shocked. Got you from day one. The day the merger was signed, it was over.

It was lock, stop, dead, barrel. Both sides. If you want to [inaudible], good.

Show me who did it. Trace back to the D.C. people that provided the contacts from Venezuela that brought Stephen Kennedy in. Lock them up.

Lock them all up. Lock the Washington D.C. people up involved. Lock the individuals involved up and lock the ones that sold these shares up.

Lock them up. Lock them up and do it now.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:21:29 – 1:21:36)

Do you think that they’ll actually do that? [Rufus: Excuse me?] Do you actually think that they’re actually going to get any lockups out of this or not?

[Mr. Harris] (1:21:36 – 1:22:01)

Dude, I don’t know. I really don’t know. I think I’m screaming as loud as I can from the mountain.

That’s why one time I told everybody, write to the congressman. Write your letters to the White House. Push it.

Get the stink started. Because you can bet your bottom dollar there is some stink here. There is a lot of stink here.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:02 – 1:22:03)

Alright. Let me ask you-

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:03 – 1:22:23)

I want to know who all was involved. I want you to point it out to me. I want the government boys to do the damn job for once and point out who perpetrated this.

If you want to say everything’s fraud, show me. Show Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, CEO of this company, who perpetrated it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:23 – 1:22:23)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:26 – 1:22:27)

That’s your job, ain’t it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:22:27 – 1:22:40)

That’s their job. We’ll see. Let me ask you two last questions.

In terms of Darryl Horton, we haven’t mentioned his name tonight. Is he still in good standings or what’s the story behind him?

[Mr. Harris] (1:22:41 – 1:23:59)

You know, last I heard from Darryl, he had the U.S. Attorney’s Office. They subpoenaed him to turn over all his documents to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Michigan, him and the auditor. And last I heard, that was more or less where it went.

Last thing he told me is be sure to file taxes for this year. My conversation was, I ain’t doing crap with the company. Haven’t even went to the office.

Haven’t even answered a corporate telephone since the day the SEC halted it. Because I asked in the court that day, don’t only halt it for 10 days. Halt it until this is resolved.

Because if you allow it to go back to trading, you’re only going to allow the illegal activity to try to recover, to bury itself. You’re going to cause the shareholders to lose money. Keep it halted.

I have not went to the office or answered a phone call from that day for that very reason. [Simon: Okay.] So, I’ve spoken to him a few times and Darryl, from my understanding, doesn’t have any problems. The auditor is still an auditor with no issues.

There you go. [Simon: Okay.] That’s the last I know. [Simon: All right. And the next question is … It says if our name is already in the NOBO list when we, when they originally got the shares, and that they’re holding them, you know in order to qualify for the 6 for 1, why again…]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:24:22 – 1:24:26)

You want people to actually ask for their hard certificates?

[Mr. Harris] (1:24:30 – 1:26:25)

[Simon: And-] Haven’t anyone figured it out? I only do something. If I do something, there’s always a reason behind it. Hard copy certificates. If everyone in this corporation pulled the hard copy certificates out, you’re going to push and squeeze the illegal activity in the market. The company’s not going anywhere until we push past this. I have a thing put into place that will benefit hard copy certificates quicker than it will electronically held certificates.

Okay? The trigger on that has already been pulled and the time frame on it is extremely short. At the time that window comes down, if your fingers are caught in it and you’re still holding electronic shares, all I can say is I’ve not only coded you on message boards, I’ve coded you in PR after PR, PAR, PR.

The CEO highly recommends you transfer your copies into hard copy certificates. Everybody wants to hold it for that quick buck. And I’ve said all along, don’t be in this for the quick buck because this is not a quick buck situation.

There was a lot of millions upon millions made in this company in the beginning off of what went up. If you go to find out, I will bet you the majority of the money that was made, probably 95% of it would have been made from the restricted shareholders of Front Haul, which would be the additional from 62 to 97 million, well, 31 to 97 million being dumped into the market. It would be Front Haul shareholders that dumped their shares.

That would be who made the majority of the money. Other than the illegal naked short sellers.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:25 – 1:26:38)

Right. Yeah, since they actually had their shares, you know, a while ago. Now, do you have any plans of actually putting out an official press release or are you done with press releases for the time being?

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:40 – 1:26:43)

Look, the only thing I’m going to manage is the website until they shut that down.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:45 – 1:26:47)

And when that’s…

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:47 – 1:26:48)

And the message board.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:49 – 1:26:52)

When you say they are going to shut it down, you’re talking about…

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:52 – 1:26:52)

Who knows?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:26:53 – 1:26:55)

The courts or…

[Mr. Harris] (1:26:56 – 1:26:59)

Well, I guess we’ll see if it’s shut down when I tell you who it is at that time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:01 – 1:27:08)

Because earlier we did ask the question, how long is the forum going to be out on CVSU? And you said it’s going to be out there until…

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:08 – 1:27:25)

It’s going to be there. I’ve got it reserved for 2016. Okay, so… [Simon: Yeah, and that-] [Inaudible] free to stay there until the end until it is shut down. [Simon: Okay.] I don’t think it will be. I think the federal court wants to hear what’s going on.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:25 – 1:27:26)

Alright.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:26 – 1:27:44)

Come on, Simon. That’s why I told everybody. The day I sat there after I walked out of federal court and we were waiting on the ruling, waiting on what happened in the court, the SEC asked for a full seizure of everything, temporary receiver to be appointed and everything.

They asked for just an outright smack. Remember that?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:27:45 – 1:27:45)

I do.

[Mr. Harris] (1:27:46 – 1:28:41)

They asked for it all. They asked for the world. Take it over. Seize all the personal accounts.

Seize all the personal loans. Do this, do this, do that. And that never happened.

It wasn’t granted. I looked at the first day in court when I told everybody when the document came over what was agreed to from the judges that the SEC sent over several copies and finally got the final draft and sent it over. When I looked at it and read it, I said, victory is upon us.

We have just won. Because … evidently the judge saw some very strange crap going on in Ron Sanders [???]. And I’m just that little crazy SOB going to give it to him.

I’m a biscuit now. That’s what that means.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:28:41 – 1:28:59)

Right, exactly. Some other folks are actually asking since you did bring up the whole right congressmen and senators, do you think that that is that something that you want shareholders to do again? Is write Washington and bring their attention to this?

[Mr. Harris] (1:28:59 – 1:29:08)

No, trust me, this has been out there enough. I mean, every time I go on Subpenny Radio, Washington, D.C., you’re number one listening base. Is it normally your number one listening base, Simon?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:29:09 – 1:29:11)

Not typically, no.

[Mr. Harris] (1:29:12 – 1:30:37)

Okay. That I’ll tell you. I don’t know if I even ears are listening.

I mean, if you’ve got some free time and you want to do something, pull some strings, if you got strings to pull. But I’m not concerned with it. I’ve done everything to put it in front of everybody.

I want the world to see it. And I, for one, want to benefit from it. Just as well as every other shareholder.

And I intend on it. I intend on helping shareholders in a way that’s going to shock everybody when it comes out shortly. And then we’ll stay in the court and straighten this mess out.

Somebody has to answer it. I like, all of a sudden, how over the counter bulletin board, when you print out all the shares traded only shows 270 plus million. I like that.

That, in itself, is evidence. Because I can promise you there’s enough shareholders and people out there that copied the activity as I’ve told them and recommended along the time frame. Okay?

Because for the first three to four months, we traded three million shares a day. Three million shares a day averaged. We traded the amount that they’re currently showing in the first few months.

By the time we had our first Subpenny radio, we were already at 500 million.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:30:38 – 1:30:38)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:30:40 – 1:31:34)

Shares traded. But yet the market today, when we run the numbers, are far, far left. It’s kind of like the ADP system going from 106 million on the first ADP list down to 30 million, to 31 million.

Okay? That’s the exposure everyone needs to understand. CEOs in today’s world are not knowledgeable to this.

They’re not. They don’t pay any attention to this. They’re not the ones that pick the phone up and call ADP and pull the list and check it against their books.

They’re not the ones that pick it up and go. They’re just caught up in this whirlwind of trying to manage this company and pay no attention to this type of activity. But you know what?

By not pointing it out to the public, you’re not performing your job as CEO.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:31:34 – 1:31:35)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:31:35 – 1:32:08)

By not ensuring that every share traded is a real share in your stock, you’re failing your shareholders. Now, I’m doing just the opposite. Exactly the opposite.

I’ve turned 100% of my attention to the market as a public company because the shareholders expect it. They want to make sure they get their banks for their buck. Well, guess what?

In today’s market, there’s no way you’re going to because the market couldn’t care less about you. All they care about you is your money.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:09 – 1:32:10)

Right. And so…

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:10 – 1:32:26)

Like we spoke in the past, you can see companies that… Look at Google. What kind of crazy crap was that?

Come on. What kind of crazy crap was Google? Where is it at today?

How many hundreds of dollars a share is it?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:27 – 1:32:33)

I think it’s at… It’s still under $400, I think. Let me double check and see. But anyway-

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:35 – 1:32:39)

Well, I mean, so what? It’s still several hundred bucks a share.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:32:39 – 1:32:40)

Right.

[Mr. Harris] (1:32:41 – 1:33:04)

They have no assets other than cash that they’ve generated. And when they first went on their IPO, they claimed to have $500 million cash. Cash.

Well, what is search engines? I don’t even want to go into that. It’s not something…

People would not understand it. Never mind.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:04 – 1:33:08)

Right. Well, I’m sorry. Google today closed at $469.

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:10 – 1:33:11)

Isn’t that something?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:11 – 1:33:12)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:13 – 1:33:14)

Is that not something?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:15 – 1:33:23)

That is. That is. So, with regards to the NOBO and ADP list, when’s the last time that you pulled that information?

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:28 – 1:33:32)

Um, just previously to our last conversation when I told you we had 6,000 shareholders.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:33:32 – 1:33:33)

Okay. So back in March?

[Mr. Harris] (1:33:34 – 1:34:04)

Well, the shareholders’ numbers is all we received. We still, at that particular time, were not provided until they wanted us to fill out… They wanted us to lock in a specific date for the proxy for them to give us the shares.

Well, actually, what they sent us was a massive discount to do the proxy for us. And that would be really letting the fox in the henhouse. And there was no way Rufus Paul Harris was signing his name on that document. No way.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:04 – 1:34:07)

So they were wanting to do the proxy for you.

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:07 – 1:34:15)

They discounted the proxy down to $11,000 to mail out to 6,000 plus shareholders if we allowed ADP to do it for us. [Simon: [Chuckling.] And, uh-]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:18 – 1:34:18)

Yeah.

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:20 – 1:34:23)

We have an estimate close to 40, but that’s okay.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:25 – 1:34:30)

That’s something. $40,000 everywhere else, they were willing to do it for 11.

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:31 – 1:34:36)

Well, of course. Of course they were willing to do it. [Simon: They love ya man.] [Inaudible] cover your tracks.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:34:38 – 1:34:41)

Right. When’s the last time that you talked to the transfer agent?

[Mr. Harris] (1:34:46 – 1:35:46)

Oh, that’s been a long time, dude. The last time I spoke to the transfer agent was at the time of it. He’s never returned my phone call ever since the lady at NASD called me and said we feel good [inaudible] the dividend.

And I said, no, ma’am, it’s not. You don’t understand the merger agreement and how it’s being issued. I advise you to get your legal counsel to read it and explain it to you.

Her next phone call to me was, her name’s Jennifer, by the way, your transfer agent says he disagrees with it so we have a problem. I said, ma’am, if my transfer agent has a problem, it seems like he should send it to me in writing or he should call me. So I request from you what you just told me in writing.

She wouldn’t send it to me and he’s never talked to me since, so there you go. No love, nobody just showed me no love.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:35:47 – 1:35:52)

And does the transfer agent still see John Arlett as the CEO or are they now…

[Mr. Harris] (1:35:52 – 1:36:08)

Last I heard, last document that people have sent to me that they have received from him says that he recognizes and According to him, he can provide numbers from the SEC that recognize John Arlett as CEO. That’s the last thing I heard from the transfer agent.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:08 – 1:36:11)

Even though that John has stepped down?

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:11 – 1:36:25)

Even though John ran for the hills, let’s say that. [Simon: [Chuckling]] All John wanted to do was get his hands up to greet the little hands on that 50 million shares is all that was. And then he ran for the hills after he was issued.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:26 – 1:36:27)

He wanted to do what…

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:27 – 1:36:31)

No, that’s hearsay. I can’t say he’s the one that’s got them, I’m just…

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:36:31 – 1:36:37)

Sure, he wanted to be like Mike. He said, well, wow, Mike is the CEO, he can give himself 50 million? I’ll do the same thing.

[Mr. Harris] (1:36:37 – 1:37:17)

Yeah. Let’s make sure all our people get our shares first. Same thing happened in Broadband all over again.

It’s deja vu, man. Anybody involved in Broadband looks at it and tells you it’s deja vu. I know several people that are involved in Broadband come back and say, man, this is exactly like that. Yeah, ain’t it though…

This time around, I’ve been prepared. Before, you know, you get out and put out a PR and do this and do that. This time, I’m just going to sit back and talk to the public and tell everybody where it went on, whether you believe it or not.

I’m just going to explain it to you.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:37:18 – 1:37:21)

And, do you still have any shares in Broadband or not?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:22 – 1:37:22)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:37:23 – 1:37:24)

Do you still have any shares in Broadband?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:26 – 1:37:48)

I was issued … you know, I don’t remember. It was a substantial amount of shares. Ah… For our corporation, I think it was about 85, 95.

I’ll have to look it up. I’ve been dropped that out of my memory core, dude.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:37:48 – 1:37:50)

Do you still have those shares?

[Mr. Harris] (1:37:50 – 1:38:03)

I had a substantial amount of shares issued to our corporation that was divided up between the directors. Of course, they went and we called and their transfer agent cancelled them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:38:05 – 1:38:08)

So, your shares have actually been cancelled? Is that what I’m hearing you say?

[Mr. Harris] (1:38:09 – 1:40:13)

Said the access wasn’t real. They dumped another 100 million while we were in federal court. The situation of that was, in that court system, I asked for one thing of the judge.

I asked for a shareholders meeting to be had. And, the judge actually said, I recommend a court [inaudible]. Because, I stood up in that shareholders meeting and said, one day, almost recently, NOBO list showed 600 million shares in a corporation that was supposed to have 120.

So, the corporation to proceed forward with this knowledge would be illegal. That’s about the only thing I said in the shareholders meeting. And, it is documented, in court documents, that that was what I said.

And, guess what? Next involvement into, as a CEO, I’m going to keep my eye on the same thing. You cannot guarantee the shareholders of your corporation that they’re getting their bang for their buck and that their shares are true value unless you know the market shares balance with the folks of the corporation.

If you have hundreds of millions of shares trading illegally in the market, you, with that knowledge, are committing fraud. So, that goes for all you CEOs out there. [Simon: Right.] By the time you pick up the phone and call your transfer agent and NOBO’s and ADP’s and DTC’s, it costs you about a hundred bucks to get all your reports compared.

I will bet you 99% of them will not match. It’s scary. [Simon: Right.] How bad they’ll make it.

[Simon: Right.] Have you seen the new stuff that somebody posted? We are now on the show list again.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:14 – 1:40:15)

No, I haven’t seen that.

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:15 – 1:40:24)

We’re now popped up on the show list. I’ve been on it for seven days, eight days now. Again.

How did we ever come off of it to start with?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:25 – 1:40:31)

I was going to say, once you came off of it, who actually filled out the form to get you back on there?

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:35 – 1:40:47)

I don’t know. [Simon: [Chuckling]] It wasn’t [inaudible] again. More miraculous stuff happened around the ground moving stuff. I don’t have the answer. [Simon: Right.]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:40:48 – 1:40:55)

So, let me ask you another question about BBAN. All the shares that you were issued, were they completely cancelled or do you still own those shares?

[Mr. Harris] (1:40:58 – 1:41:03)

Oh, I still have the documents. I haven’t done anything else with them.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:03 – 1:41:06)

You still do own those shares though?

[Mr. Harris] (1:41:07 – 1:41:35)

No. They quote unquote officially cancelled them. I never proceeded forward.

I didn’t really care. They got me on that go around. [Simon: Okay. The only reason I-] I learned my lesson.

On this go around, I got them, I think so. We’ll see. I’m pretty confident in it though.

I’ve got enough other stuff mingled in with it that would draw enough federal attention. It ain’t just a little old stock deal no more.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:41:37 – 1:42:15)

Right. And the reason I was asking about BBAN is because there was a couple of people that actually called in the show recently that it said there was an increase in volume on CSHD as well as BBAN. They seemed to correlate with one another. People wanted to know if I thought there was any kind of theory between the two companies other than you being the CEO of both companies.

I said, well I really don’t see anything other than maybe people trying to manipulate BBAN. Today it was up 15.38%, so. [Rufus: How is the company trading if it doesn’t have an actual office?]

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:18 – 1:42:18)

Publicly.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:18 – 1:42:21)

It’s, I guess it’s a [inaudible] It would be classified as?

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:22 – 1:42:23)

As a what?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:24 – 1:42:25)

It would be classified as a shell?

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:26 – 1:42:27)

A shell?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:27 – 1:42:28)

Yes, a shell company.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:29 – 1:42:32)

No, you still have to have somebody in control to have a shell, don’t you?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:42:33 – 1:42:34)

Yeah, you should be a law firm.

[Mr. Harris] (1:42:34 – 1:43:04)

You can’t have a company out there trading without an office or anything, can you? How are we still trading? I shut everything down. [Simon: [Chuckles]]

I’m serious. Why didn’t the SEC let it go back trading after I asked for it to not trade? Whatever you do, don’t let this trade.

Don’t let it go back until this is figured out. Let’s solve this and correct this problem for the shareholders. Here we are. [Simon: So-]

The old trading’s going down and down and down and down. [Inaudible]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:43:05 – 1:43:14)

Right. So with BBAN, when you left as the CEO, who took over control of the helm?

[Mr. Harris] (1:43:16 – 1:43:16)

Excuse me?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:43:17 – 1:43:20)

When you left BBAN, who took over?

[Mr. Harris] (1:43:20 – 1:45:11)

Oh boy, that was some really good stuff that I haven’t even brought up. I had several millions upon millions of shares that was a proxy vote in BBAN, which I asked for. And all the people that voted for it actually sent the proxy to [inaudible].

And we submitted [inaudble] a package to the court and to the proxy individual. Do you know none of the individuals that we know of … of the documents that we provided to the court of real shareholders that purchased them? We even required them to attach their account information was voted in that proxy.

Some more very strange stuff. But it did happen. Very factual.

And I put those documents in the federal court. In front of the federal court. I actually pointed it out to the judge.

Sir, none of these people show up on the voting. What do you got to say about that? Oh, that’s a lie.

I mean, they actually brought the individual that performed the proxy count to the court and he said, in front of the court, Oh, that’s a lie. Those people aren’t shareholders. And I have their account information, what firm they were with, and everything in the proxy statement and provided to the court.

There was some unbelievable stuff in Vegas. I’m scared to death of Vegas. I believe in Vegas you can do any damn thing you want.

I’ll be honest with you. And I believe you can include a federal judge in the next step too if you want to. All you gotta do is have enough money. {Simon: [Chuckling]]

That ain’t no crap. I’ve seen it. I have seen it.

God is my witness. There’s some of the craziest stuff. I would not believe in the United States of America we would see things like that. [Simon: Right.] Never.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:12 – 1:45:24)

So, whenever that situation with the courts was resolved, you left BBAN, but who took over as the CEO?

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:24 – 1:45:36)

Oh, there was Ron Dr. Ron Tripp. When you say doctor, he’s a bone cracker. I guess you can call those doctors.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:45:36 – 1:45:37)

Yeah, chiropractor.

[Mr. Harris] (1:45:39 – 1:46:11)

Ah, there’s Michael Williams and Keith McAllister remained in the company. They boasted a whole bunch of stuff. They had some really good stuff moving on.

They were going to do some stuff with Cassandra. Look up Cassandra Energy. Cassandra Energy just so happened to be involved in a congressional thing that went forward to pull out of the oil out of tar sands.

Do you know what that is?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:13 – 1:46:14)

No. Tell me what that is.

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:16 – 1:46:22)

Well, it’s taking all of this land around on the ground and processing it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:46:23 – 1:46:23)

Okay.

[Mr. Harris] (1:46:26 – 1:47:29)

It’s kind of hard to explain. I’d have to read up on Jim Dale and talk of any knowledge about it. Their name was found linked to President Bush in Canada.

That actual individuals were the ones that was the company that received the contract to perform this function in Canada and Alaska, mainly Alaska though. And, needless to say, that was one of the things. They had several other things. [Inaudible] stuff.

They signed a contract with a company by the name of World Veneur [???]. There was so much stuff. It was just the same old, same old business as normal.

Stocks swapping hands. Another hundred million here. Another 50 million there.

Nothing never materializing. None of their contracts proceeding. Same old, same old.

It went on and on and on. Eventually, all the shareholders got sick of it. You know.

Dumped it down. The last thing I heard, it was down in the subpennies.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:47:31 – 1:47:32)

That’s Cassandra, right?

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:32 – 1:47:34)

They danced a good song while they could dance.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:47:35 – 1:47:37)

Yeah, I actually found out.

[Mr. Harris] (1:47:37 – 1:48:20)

Shareholders meeting in Vegas. Bunch of pre-screens. Bunch of pre-presentations.

But not one thing that they ever said materialized. Had some guru involved in Microsoft that was going to come in. He actually got sick.

Didn’t show up for the meeting. There was just a whole bunch of dances, songs, and dances. They pulled out the stocks and left the show.

The beauty of it was for the selling. [Simon: Okay.] Not really. The beauty of it was for those same individuals being involved in Front Haul.

That’s the beauty. I told you one day, God, you’d never forget my name. I guess when you heard me say that again, you hated to hear it. [Simon: [Chuckles] The ah, because I did find an article that says Broadband Wireless Internation Corporation announces letter of intent with Cassandra Energy]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:48:31 – 1:48:31)

Inc. And that was back on September 9, 2004.

[Mr. Harris] (1:48:31 – 1:49:27)

Hmm. How recent? [Simon: 2004.] Yeah, that’d be about right. I haven’t filmed their last stuff. I’m telling you, they’ve done all kinds of stuff.

I think it was World Veneur, Vellour, or whatever you want to call it. That’s all kind of neat little stuff out there. They did a lot of songs and dances.

Last time I heard, a couple other people left. One of them, Keith McAllister and Dr. Ron Tripp’s involved in another pig soup company. It’s an oil company.

I don’t know the name of it. Oil Exploration and so on and so on. I think they did a 16,000 in one reverse or something.

1,500, I don’t know. In a butthole. They did a pretty good reverse to get their stock price backed up. [Simon: Right, yeah]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:49:28 – 1:49:32)

In this article, it says that Keith McAllister is actually the co-chair at that time. [Rufus: Hm huh.]

[Mr. Harris] (1:49:36 – 1:51:28)

Well, there was a whole lot of stuff. Michael Williams jumped over to the CMKX deal right after the court situation with us. He jumped over to CMKX, went on CMKX.

Remember that company with the trillions of shares out there? [Simon: Oh yeah.] He went over there and went on its board. Then that was rescinded.

Shortly after that, the SEC halted the trading. So, there was a little bit of a tension. It’s like I said.

CMKX was the direct result of the attention drawn in the federal court. They definitely was not going to allow what went on with Broadband to unravel. [Inaudible]. Cause, some of the stuff I found in Broadband shocked me.

Gateway Wireless was sold to, I think Singular. Different divisions sold for hundreds of millions. And all these firms was allowed to be released out from under bankruptcy for nothing. The shareholders benefited nothing … for this.

Only the shareholders of the original company that signed the deal with Broadband, that went into Broadband, was allowed. The Broadband shareholders received NO BENEFIT for the sale of these hundreds of millions of assets. When you add them up, it was just short of a billion.

Not one Broadband shareholder received anything. They took the company into bankruptcy in Oklahoma, liquidated it off. It was not liquidated publicly.

It was just, okay, you can take your stuff and go away. Same thing went on with us. All the shareholders were ripped.

Everybody lost their money. There’s some neat little cover-ups that happen today, but it all comes down when it goes to money. Who has the most money?

I guess it’s who you lobby. [???] Comes time you find out lobbyists are very strong individuals in this country.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:51:30 – 1:51:32)

Well, yeah, they’ve got the money. They’re the special interests.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:33 – 1:51:38)

I will tell you this. Oklahoma just past … have you seen the legislation Oklahoma past?

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:51:38 – 1:51:38)

Yes.

[Mr. Harris] (1:51:39 – 1:51:50)

Love it. Was that not beautiful? [Simon: That was. That was. They said-] You go for it, Oklahoma. First state to step up there. I heard

What was the other one? Utah.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:51:50 – 1:52:22)

Utah. [Rufus: [Inaudible] it out.] Exactly. So Interesting stuff. So We’ll see what happens with all this stuff.

Well, I hope, I hope that um … you know for the sake of the folks that have a lot of money in Conversion Solutions, I hope for their benefit the company actually fire starts spreading like the forest fires there in Georgia. I just hope that…

[Mr. Harris] (1:52:22 – 1:52:23)

I didn’t start those. [Simon: No. [Laughing]]

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:52:26 – 1:52:35)

Well, that’s a good thing. Like I say, for their benefit, I hope everything works out. You’ve got nine million shares.

[Mr. Harris] (1:52:35 – 1:52:41)

[Simon: I hope-] I’m comfortable, but we’re okay. I’ve been prepared for the situation the whole time.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:52:42 – 1:52:57)

And again, it goes back to some of these people were actually hoping to have by… they got in July, maybe August time frame. They were hoping by Christmas things would be good. And

Well, it’s taking a little bit longer than I think a lot of people expected. [Rufus: I don’t … I…]

[Mr. Harris] (1:52:59 – 1:53:45)

We had a lot of crazy stuff going on at that time, though, Simon. Okay. When we started the proxy, we still had this crazy shareholder committee thats jumped up and started their stuff. And PRs and 8Ks [inaudible] transfer agent.

So … crazy stuff that went on that caused us a lot. Come on, think about it. When you go out here and you start to do perform functions in a company, when you’ve got that type of activity going on, first thing you do is everybody starts giving you legal problems.

When you go to your situation with ADP, okay, show us why it [inaudible] not CEO. Well, you show me how he is.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:46 – 1:53:48)

Right. What was the actual share count?

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:48 – 1:53:54)

You can’t take over a company by just saying I’m the majority shareholder and I’ll vote. It doesn’t work that way.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:53:54 – 1:53:55)

Exactly.

[Mr. Harris] (1:53:55 – 1:54:29)

It requires a shareholder vote. Oh, okay, yeah, you’re right. Okay, now if you show us the law, and we know the law, we’ll agree with you.

There was a lot of stuff that has went on that has caused us problems. We’re in the court. I put my answer there.

I’m going to put a ton of documents in that court. I kind of figured that the majority of what I file in the evidence that I file are going to be sealed. To be honest with you.

So the public will not see the majority of it.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:54:30 – 1:54:32)

Okay, now.

[Mr. Harris] (1:54:32 – 1:55:16)

Let’s see where this goes. [Simon: Right.] I have something in the works very shortly coming. Shareholders, my recommendation will be at that time and is now take it, move on, and I’ll stay behind and deal with this crap.

And that will solely be to keep the shareholders from losing their investment. It’s a neat package. We all got caught up in it.

I’m caught up in it as CEO. And I promise you from day one, just like Broadband, when I promised Ben that I would go in and help him and Michael keep McCallister out, I’m here. I’m not going to go away until this stuff is resolved and everybody that committed fraud is in, you know … in trouble.

[Simon (SubPenny Radio Host)] (1:55:17 – 1:55:46)

Right. The way that you worded that, it made me believe that you say you’ve got something in the works. It’s a pretty nice package.

And people should just accept it and move on and let you handle this. It seems like it will either be a buyout or some type of dividend in a different entity. I don’t know.

I mean, that’s what it sounds like. [Rufus: [Chuckling]] You know?

[Mr. Harris] (1:55:46 – 1:55:47)

Well, okay. Let’s, let’s-